Trolls? Trolls?!

[caissus]

I didn't know where to put this thread, so here goes. I know I've read somewhere that you need a special condition to build mountain trolls as Mordor. Right now I got past turn 30-ish where I unlocked Troll Cages, which I built. But when they were completed I still couldn't make any trolls. What else do I need to unlock these?

[MasterBigAb]

I didn't know where to put this thread, so here goes. I know I've read somewhere that you need a special condition to build mountain trolls as Mordor. Right now I got past turn 30-ish where I unlocked Troll Cages, which I built. But when they were completed I still couldn't make any trolls. What else do I need to unlock these?

you have to wait for the second script around turn 66

[caissus]

Ah, many thanks

[Lord Uxbridge]

Think you can still get troll catapults after turn 30 though

[Hermes Trismegistos]

Also trolls are only recruitable in mountain regions, but if you have patched your game to 1.4.1 troll cages shouldn't be buildable in non-mountain-regions.

(In earlier versions there was the problem that you could build them everywhere but nothing was recruitable, so they were pretty much useless.)

[Tatoru]

(In earlier versions there was the problem that you could build them everywhere but nothing was recruitable, so they were pretty much useless.)

Yes, I was actually sad when realized that I can´t recruit trolls in Minas Tirith although there is definitely some mountains around. Well, now I know why.

[MasterBigAb]

Yes, I was actually sad when realized that I can´t recruit trolls in Minas Tirith although there is definitely some mountains around. Well, now I know why.

Well it wouldn't make sense if as soon as you conquer minas tirith, there would be or live some trolls in this mountains... ( I am not very close to lore, but as far as i know there no trolls at all in this mounatins...)

[Lordinquisitor]

I don`t think that there were trolls in the heartland of gondor.

[SinerAthin]

Why can't trolls migrate?

Say, sure, the humans of Minas Tirith have probably cleansed the mountains, but after conquering it, and as the whole land falls under the corruption of Melkor, it wouldn't be that weird if Trolls suddenly showed up in the mountains?

[MasterBigAb]

Why can't trolls migrate?

Say, sure, the humans of Minas Tirith have probably cleansed the mountains, but after conquering it, and as the whole land falls under the corruption of Melkor, it wouldn't be that weird if Trolls suddenly showed up in the mountains?

Because trolls first would have to "settle" there and grow in numbers so you can hire them, and that would take many, many years if not ages to get a source where you can recruit them from...theoretically

[Tatoru]

Yes I know it doesn´t really make sense, but i thought as game mechanics are set the way you can change settlement culture so rapidly, it will apply also on those special units. Like as I had about 80% Followers of Melkor culture in Anorien region (Minas Tirith?), i was like "hmm, if it is so quick to convert thousands of people to another culture, there should be also some trolls finally settled down (or arriving from Mordor), muhaha, come my servants"... and stuff.
But I am not complaining, in such a complex mod as TA you simply can´t think of every detail.

[Some Random Evil Guy]

Considering you are converting a population over multiple years, it's really not so far fetched. On the other hand, there are few Trolls, and it would be difficult to muster enough to both fight and populate new lands (especially considering that they'd have to reproduce and so on and so forth).

[Tatoru]

Well, Anorien isn't really a mountain region as there is whole plains around MT, ok. But if that is just a question of placing hidden troll resources to :mountain: regions, it is easy to be added to every suitable region in ME. Is there somewhere list of region´s hidden resources?

[Furin]

Why can't trolls migrate?

African or European trolls ?

[Nicolaos]

African or European trolls ?

illegal trolls in gondor?!

[Shadrach]

African or European trolls ?

African trolls are non-migratory!

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[Darner]

Because trolls need to hide in caves for survive the daylight, maybe. I hope trolls can be recruited in the trollshaws, however

[Hermes Trismegistos]

It isn't so that trolls can only be build in evil "core" regions, with OotMM I could build them in Rivendell (OK these are the trollshaws, so it seems logical) and the Iron Mountains.

The text says mountain regions, however I'm not always sure what counts as mountain regions, many regions with some mountains don't seem to count...

[JorisofHolland]

Yes, but when mixed with a population of Misty Mountain trolls they do become migratory.

[eugenioso]

you are just veering off the subject.

first of all, the troll population for all of middle earth at the time of the WOTR was ridiculously small. their population was devastated during the Goblin-Dwarven wars, and Sauron never had a sizeable number of trolls to begin with.