Native Faction Names for BC 3.0

[TuCoT]

I think the native names for factions will be better and I find some of them, please help me to complete the list or correct my mistakes. Maybe BC team will use it.

Or maybe wudang_clown will help us...
Thanks...

Here's the list:

Native Faction Names Project for BC 3.0

Saljūqiyān-e Rūm
Atābakān-e Fārs
Saljūqiyān-e Kirman
Eldənizlər
Zangiūn
Khwārezmshāhiyān
Gaznevîyyûn
Shansabānīyān
Basileía tôn Rhōmaíōn
Saqartvelos Samepho
Giligiov Haigagan Takavorutiun
Makouria
Imamat 'Uman
Imamat 'Yemeniyye
Al-Khilāfah al-‘Abbāsīyyah al-Islāmīyyah
Delhi Saltanat
Qıpsaq Kaganlıgı
`Kara Kitan` or `Kara Kitad`
`Mongolyn Ezent Guren` or `Ikh Mongol Uls`
Silsilah-e-Sumro
Al-Ayyūbīyūn
Regnum Hierosolimitanum
Solanki Rajvansh
Idel Bolgar
Vladimiro-Suzdal'skoye Knyazhestvo
Malek-e Māzandarān
Iryston (Kingdom of Alania)

[BAGRAT 7]

Not Sakartvelos Samepo, tru Saqartvelos Samepho

[Alejandro Sanchez]

Native Names Project for BC 3.0
Malikat al-Muqurra

Makuria or Makouria (in Old Nubian)

Volga-Kama Bolğar

Idel Bolgar

[Jan III Sobieski]

Nice, but whats the native name for alania again?

[Visarion]

interesting but I think I preffer the international names! maybe their native names could be used in paranthesis together with the English names or in faction description...

[Captain_Aramsham]

Nice, but whats the native name for alania again?

Your question may have been rhetorical, but AFAIK we have almost no record of the Medieval Alanic language. The closest approximation might be modern day Ossetic...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetic_language

[Alejandro Sanchez]

Your question may have been rhetorical, but AFAIK we have almost no record of the Medieval Alanic language. The closest approximation might be modern day Ossetic...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossetic_language

One inscription of Medieval Alanic language dated to the X cent. and made by Greek alphabet we have. It's Zelenchuk inscription on the tombstone.

http://www.alanica.ru/writing/2.htm

But this, of course, very few

[Alejandro Sanchez]

In Modern Ossetic language Alania can have name Iryston.

[nimAngelos]

some gornment in persia after the Ilkhanian ( ايلخانيان )
Sarbedaran ( 1336 - 1376)
Al-e Jalayer (1339 - 1410)
Choopani Emirs ( 1343 - 1357)
Al-e Mozaffar ( 1323 - 1357 )
Injoo Family ( 1341 - 1357 )

[wudang_clown]

Native Names Project for BC 3.0

I'd prefer you to change the name, since there is already one Native Names Project. It's suspended now, but no one said it's dead. Do you want to continue NNP, or something?

Also, could you explain whether your project is based anyhow on NNP? Do you use translations from NNP?

Saljūqiyān-e Fars

Fars wasn't ruled by Saljuqs, but by Salghurids. I think more suitable name for them would be "Atābakān-e Fārs"

Mâzandarâniyān

I belive that's Arabic name. Persian name, which probably was used by Bavandids, was "Esfahbaḏ-e Esfahbaḏān" or "Malek-e Māzandarān" (that's from iranica.com).

[Eisberg]

Eldeniz

Eldeniz is just a Name of a person...
Statename is Eldənizlər or Azərbaycanin Atabəyləri

[damnmap]

Naming everything in native tongue is not a good idea in my opinion... I remember stuff like that in EB it just pisses me off as I don't understand the meaning of anything

[wudang_clown]

There's a simple solution - to put English translation in brackets after native name or in a description.

Native names are cool, they make a mod "deeper" and its factions more distinctive.

[Kip]

Naming everything in native tongue is not a good idea in my opinion... I remember stuff like that in EB it just pisses me off as I don't understand the meaning of anything

Native names are cool, they make a mod "deeper" and its factions more distinctive.

Agreed on both posts here, in a way. Having faction names in native tongues is extremely interesting and can really give a mod a lot of pizazz and ambiance; but it doesn't quite give the perfect situation I'd like.

For instance, in EB, the Carthaginians were referred to as (something along the lines of) Kart-Hadastim. Very cool - but no one called them that, except for themselves (or at least people that spoke their same language). When I'm playing as Rome, I shouldn't be fighting "Kart-Hadastim", I should be fighting whatever the Latin term for Carthage was (Poeni-, Puni- something something, I have zero latin experience ). It would be like having a WWII game featuring Britain, the United States, Deutshland, Italia and Nippon. It's a bit off, isn't it? That's the feeling I got when I played EB.

If whoever was going about this project generated a couple lists of faction names that were based on language groups, rather than individual factions, I'd be extremely impressed. E.G. translate every faction name into Greek, Persian, Arabic, etc. etc., and then allowed these name sets to swap when players pick the faction they want to control.

Of course, this multiplies the work load immensely, and might even require multiple re-installations of different mod versions when you switch factions, but I think it would be the best way to represent native names properly.
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[wudang_clown]

You are right, Kippy, but only if it comes to factions' names - we can say that Latin experience related to this feature is zero.

However, used in-game faction names are only one feature of EB native names. There are more areas of the mod where you can find loads of Latin experience.

Yeah, there are limitations concerning factions naming - but we can't go beyond that, at least not yet. If it comes to me, I turn a blind eye for some annoyances which cannot be dealt with.

[Vardan the Great]

I don't think native names are good idea.

[TuCoT]

I have correct all names in the list and thanks all of you.

wudang_clown this is not a detailed native name project just I want that native faction names to mod to make game deeper as you say. Althought I changed name to `Native Faction Names`

Maybe when the mod will release we can also change the term such like Turkish General Turkish Family Member etc.

But now we must complete the faction names list if everyone wants this project.

[wudang_clown]

wudang_clown this is not a lcomplicated native name project just I want that native faction names to mod to make game deeper as you say. Althought I changed name to `Native Faction Names`

Thank you.

Maybe when the mod will release we can also change the term such like Turkish General Turkish Family Member etc.

We have done this in the NNP.

[TuCoT]

But what about new factions?

[wudang_clown]

Yeah, new factions aren't included in NNP yet, but it's a matter of time. Let's finish BC 3 first.