Crusades are mistake?

[marcius2000]

I just play Poland and got stron belief, that crusades are organized in wrong way in game - this is maybe suggestion. Of course - crusade and jihad are fine element during the game - but I suppose, that first of all they should have more "event" effect. What is more - I just organized crusade against Romishe Empire (Germans). Of course - it's good solution that christian ruler who attack other christian could be excommunicated - but crusade against such ruler is too much in my opinon. Target of crusade was set on Vienna. It was rather unreal to think about such target of crusade in meddieval times.

Because of that crusade Poland country (me) increased its position very much in europe. I'm happy - but I suppose anyway that it's not realistic.

[bɑne]

Thats more or less what it always was even in the vanilla game. Crusades are a great source of exploits for the experienced player. My advise is to set your own rules and to always try to call crusades yourself on a target you deem historicaly sound.

[Kulgan]

Have you heard of this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade


And I agree with the second poster. You can make total war as realistic as you want to. Yes you can field 2000 Knights in one army, or you can field 100 together with 1000 men at arms and 900 militia forces.


Kulgan

[PerXX]

Or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_Crusade

[Concrete]

Have you heard of this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

Or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_Crusade

Or this: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/13th_Black_Crusade

[Navajo Joe]

Personally, I love the Crusade option, I know some of the targets, are not really historic, but its really fun to go somewhere like London, did this with Norway, it was really surreal, invading the British Isles in the name of the Pope and the Cross.

[Seether]

I think the issue is that there are very, very few instances where a Crusade was called against an organized christian kingdom or empire. The Aragonese Crusade is one such rare example, but the Albigensian Crusade was not. The latter was more or less and early version of the Spanish Inquisition and was not targeting an organized Christian kingdom; it targeted heretical sects.

[bɑne]

I believe Vienna is on the list of viable crusade targets because it can be a jihad target (think of the Battle of Vienna). A succesful jihad would make a crusade necessary and regretably the game doesnt differenciate between a "loss" due to excommunication or due to a different religion.

[Ichon]

I think all Capitols are potential Crusade targets. Plus a few more which list I'm not sure how it is drawn up...

[roman glory]

Hi,
historically, the famous "crusades" were the ones which took christiandom into the Holy Lands. But, also historically (i'm finishing my history teacher career), there were also crusade in western and eastern europe against different sects who where hated by the orthodox as well

[marcius2000]

First of all - even that crusades were used by medieval politicians - they weren't used to attack real powers - Otton, who attacked papacy wasn't then targeted by crusade, but by excommunication. Legal rulers of France, England etc - couldn't be targeted by crusades - some minor powers could be set as target - but crusades weren't used to rule real important "internal" political matters.

In my game now third german city was set as target of crusade - I Reich was shattered by all christian powers in Europe and its power was put into ground. Such history is absolutely unbelivable (I set only first target - Vienna)

Because of these events Poland got main territorial gains and grew as one of major european powers.

It's fine for me - but to be honest - its just killed the game.

Crusades should be organized agains muslim coutries or could happen against countries with very bad relations with papacy and - but as "event".

[sbroadbent]

In my game now third german city was set as target of crusade - I Reich was shattered by all christian powers in Europe and its power was put into ground. Such history is absolutely unbelivable (I set only first target - Vienna)

Because of these events Poland got main territorial gains and grew as one of major european powers.

It's fine for me - but to be honest - its just killed the game.

Crusades should be organized agains muslim coutries or could happen against countries with very bad relations with papacy and - but as "event".

Interesting, so you CHOSE to call a crusade on Vienna, improved your position and somehow that kills the game? Maybe next time don't call somewhere which isn't unbelievable or isn't historically accurate.

Although the Total War series has utilized history for it's setting, once you hit the End Turn button after Turn 1, you can completely throw out anything that happened historically after 1080.

It's better to look at TW games as a what if scenario if certain battles turned out somewhat differently, rather than a retelling of world history.

[PerXX]

If you want to change it, have a look at this thread

[Ichon]

Thanks- that link was interesting. Especially deleting all tags... I am going to try that and see what Crusades AI calls if any. I sometimes dislike that HRE, France, or occasional other European Catholic powers are totally destroyed by Crusades. Seems to defeat some of the historical challenge of the game trying to wipe out the largest historical European powers.

[marcius2000]

Yes, I choosed because it was on crusades list. Then another AI player choosed frankfurt. Reich was then destroyed.

But anyway - one guy abouve posted link to thread with files that could be changed to avoid some crusade targets. I eliminated european cities from that possibility . Now the real hard fight begin

[marcius2000]

ps - small question from pointed thread:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...98#post7255698