Ungrateful bastards (clamour for reform)

[Blaudonner]

I'm playing Prussia and due to my research hunger, my people have got a lot of clamour for reform. With modern universities, I assumed that they'd turn into an uncontrollable mob, so I've just provoked a revolution in order to make everyone happy republic citizens. Happy my ass... the ungrateful bastards have just as much clamour for reform as ever. I thought they'd be happy with their own, elected government but they're not.

Is there any political way out of this, or should I just dragoon the buggers into submission?

[.Mitch.]

As my uncle used to say..

When in doubt.. Dragoon the buggers.

[eXistenZ]

Good justice minister, kick ministers with too many unhappy traits, and don't build all your schools in one region.

[Blaudonner]

Schools are already spread out and the justice minister is OK, so dragooning seems appealing now. Since I'll need dragoons for mob control anyway, I'm considering another revolution to get a constitutional monarchy, because all other countries went hostile after the revolution. Before, just about everyone except Spain where friendly or very friendly and trading with the whole world except Spain was making a fortune each turn.

[Forge13]

yeah most regime changes result in a flipping or resetting of relations...

[The Fool on The Hill]

Yeah when I did the Revolution with France everyone and I mean everyone was hostile but by that time I was making money like crazy and was able to buy Alliances with Major powers.

[morteduzionism]

Wow...

As Spain, I can have four schools in my capital region. I keep them for decades at a time. I can have two Classical Universities, a college and a regular school...this is without any other "happy" buildings (i.e. Bawdyhouses and churches)

And I maintain my Absolute Monarchy form of govt.

Do/did you build Pleasure Palaces? Churches? Upgrade your government building? Garrison?

[Blaudonner]

Do/did you build Pleasure Palaces? Churches? Upgrade your government building? Garrison?

No church shools except where there was religious unrest, otherwise every building maxed out and one happiness building per territory. People were just as happy with absolute monarchy. The reason for the revolution was that I anticipated lots of unhappiness when upgrading to modern universities in order to get to the top of the tech tree.

[kikosemmek]

Usually, it's the lower classes that keep ing and moaning. Transform into a constitutional monarchy to do away with them. CM's only have nobility and middle classes. No complaints about industrialization, harsh reputations, and all that good stuff. Also, it's a good middle-ground where no one hates you too much for your government type, as if you're an AM, your people hate your guts, and if you're RP, then most of the world hates your guts.

[morteduzionism]

No church shools except where there was religious unrest,

But they still grant general 'happiness' bonuses...so having one in a region with a lot of industry is probably a good idea.

People were just as happy with absolute monarchy. The reason for the revolution was that I anticipated lots of unhappiness when upgrading to modern universities in order to get to the top of the tech tree.

I've got nearly every tech (thanks to the Maratha's...) and I only went as high as a Classical University.

I'm making @15K/turn (it might be closer to 20K) with nothing to spend it on since I'm not industrializing my regions. I have just the first level of most industrial buildings (i.e. iron workshops, weavers and mines) with an exception or two where conquered regions already had more advanced buildings.

The only buildings I maxed out were farms.

This is also maintaining standing armies (19 units per stack) for the entire game. I'm up to five now.

I have trade agreements with most of the major nations so that's another large income source right there.

Using that wealth, which quickly adds up since I'm spending little per turn, I bought a lot of high level techs from the Marathas mainly but others as well (i.e. preserved foods, steam engine, etc). I had already completed research in land warfare and agriculture and I don't need to research anymore philosophy (don't want the peoples getting ideas...lol). I ignored percussion caps and quicklime shells (I don't use howitzers or mortars) and I'm going to snatch up the last bit of naval tech from the Maratha's.

The point I'm trying to make is that it might be possible to quench your thirst for research without going all the way to Modern Universities and the associated clamour for reforms.

...also as an Absolute Monarchy I can't support any threats to a royal crown...revolution!? Republic? Co...nst..itu..tion..al Monarchy... A sovereign's power should be absolute.

[Lumina]

Wow...

As Spain, I can have four schools in my capital region. I keep them for decades at a time. I can have two Classical Universities, a college and a regular school...this is without any other "happy" buildings (i.e. Bawdyhouses and churches)

And I maintain my Absolute Monarchy form of govt.

Do/did you build Pleasure Palaces? Churches? Upgrade your government building? Garrison?

Yes but the Spanish citizens are fools, why do you think the Spanish Empire fell so soon whense compared to other Europian Empires and colonial powers? Just a joke but still, Prussia goes super power, Spain goes well wimp mode even the Americans ccould wip em by the end of the 19th Century, and did, when the USA wasn't even in the top 10 list of military powers.

[kikosemmek]

You can try the following to get a CM: destroy happy-buildings/religion buildings. Remove ministers who make the bourgeoisie happy, and see then.

[Blaudonner]

Sounds like good advice kikosemmek, I'll give CM a try. Thx!

[Blaudonner]

As it turns out, it seems nigh impossible to get the middle class to revolt in order to create a CM. Lowest possible tax for the proletariat and highest possible for the bourgeoisie, but it's still the proles who revolt even though the bourgeoisie have more points on the p**ed off scale. I tried to balance the proles anger with some dragoons, but just so few that the bourgeoisie was still hungry for change, but couldn't get the equation right. Funny lot, the proles. By revolting in a republic, they create another republic with exactly the same problems that led to the revolt in the first place.

I guess I'm stuck with a republic, so now that I've got to the top of the tech tree, I'm torching all schools. Serves my ungrateful buggers of a people right. Ignorance is strength, as Orwells Big Brother put it. What I miss most from the AM is that old, beautiful Prussian flag. The new tricolor just isn't Prussian enough.