Do the good AIs always lose?

[Cattlehunter]

So far I've only played 3 campaigns, first as Gondor, then the Dwarves, and now as Gondor again, and every time all the good factions get destroyed by the evil ones.

In my current campaign as Gondor I'm finally winning, after destroying Hardar's coastal cities (then giving them to the dwarves!) and finally removing the powers of Mordor from, well, Mordor.

So I take the final settlement to the east of me and encounter those Rhûn guys, who I decided to remain neutral towards since they're #1 in all aspects except territories and population. Wlondering why I haven't gotten notificed that Mordor has been destroyed yet I look at the progression tab, and to my surprise I see they still have like 6 regions left, so I sent my spies out all over the place.

After a few turns I get the announcement SILVAN ELVES DESTROYED, so I'm like, , did they get destroyed by the dudes from the east or what? So I sent my spies there and lo and behold, after I drove Mordor off they had gone straight north and destroyed the elves completely, taking over all their settlements.

No problem, I send Aragorn and Faramir north to finish them off, while Boromir has to save Rohans 2 remaining regions from Isengard, and while this is going on I get told that Dale is no longer an independant faction but subervient to Rhûn. Next turn Saruman calls a crusade on Bree and captures it within like 5 turns - apparently Eridaor doesn't care that its capital was sacked because they're not even trying to take it back.

Then the dwarves declare war on Hardar and lose all their southern settlements, opening the flood gates on me; something like 7 full stacks of cavalry that had been patrolling back and forth unable to enter my territiry due to the dwarven regions blocking them now roll into my territories, and the Orcs of the Misty Mountain launch an attack on my forest settlements right after I finally destroy Mordor.

I'm actually having alot of fun, but, really, are the good factions supposed to be this pathetically weak? Except for the high elves capturing a Isengard settlement, I haven't seen them do anything at all except get destroyed and/or dominated by the evil ones.

Playing as one of the evil factions must be super easy.

[Wolfcp11]

In my Gondor campaign right now, OOTM have 2 regions, the dwarvs have them hammered into moria and one other region; Isengard has 3 regions with eriador, rohan and the high elves closing in, dale and dwarves have rhun down to 3 regions.

In other words, no.

[el Cid]

In multiple of my campaigns Gondor pwned both Mordor and Harad, Rohan pwned Isengard, Dale pwned Rhûn, the Elves pwned OotMM and Mordor and the Dwarves pwned everyone!

[Wolfsblut]

Yep, no easy going for the bad boys here.
And when you play an evil faction the AI spams you with stacks like no good too.

The only thing that happens most of the time is that eriador get pawned, either by oomm (rarely because the dwarves punish them the hard way most of times), isengard or the dwarves themselves (little armored backstabbers they are).
But this will be past since 1.5 is out i guess.

[Vifarc]

In multiple of my campaigns Gondor pwned both Mordor and Harad,

Yeah, that's very randomly. Usually Evil crush the Good, but sometimes no.
In one of my few campaign, Gondor has rushed Mordor and Harad. At turn 55, Harad had only one remaining settlement!

[Hermes Trismegistos]

Have you patched your TATW to the latest version? What you tell resembles my first experiences with TATW when it was 1.1, but I was under the impresion that it rarely occured in later versions because of the more realistic autoresolve (evere AI vs. AI battle is solved via autoresolve).

[el Cid]

Have you patched your TATW to the latest version? What you tell resembles my first experiences with TATW when it was 1.1, but I was under the impresion that it rarely occured in later versions because of the more realistic autoresolve (evere AI vs. AI battle is solved via autoresolve).

I don't know whether you're talking to me but I have my TATW fully patched and without any AI changing submods.

[Seleukos_I.]

I guess he was talking to the op.

[el Cid]

I guess he was talking to the op.

Yeah but because he didn't use quote it wasn't clear.

[Hermes Trismegistos]

I guess he was talking to the op.

Yes, I was talking to the Op, sorry if that wasn't clear.

[Raymond Agustin]

Umm... not really.. as it goes in my Campaign ( so far ) Gondor and Rohan seems to be winning. I'm not quite sure about the Dwarves 'cause I haven't gotten through them for 20 years in-game time now since I lost Dol Gondul..

Yes, I'm still playing as Silvan Elves.

[luckybeaver]

This only seems to happen when I play Gondor, as in ALL of my 10+ Gondor campaigns Rohan has been destroyed, Silvan elves usually reduced to Thrandruil's halls, Dale gets destroyed, Dwarves TOTALLY ignore both OOTM and Rhun, Eriador actually takes Gram (most of the time, but otherwise loses all of its eastern settlements to OOTM and Isengard) but otherwise sits on the toilet, High Elves don't do anything (except war with Eriador... -.- ), so I'm left as Gondor with fighting Morder to the East, Harad to the south, ISengard to the North since I declared war on them whilst trying to save Rohan, and Rhun from the NE... Its so ing annoying!!!

As High elves and other factions however, I've found that the rest of the good factions do quite well. Now I'd say this is just randomized AI behaviour, but I find it weird as hell that EVERY SINGLE Gondor campaign I've played, the exact same result occurs.

[el Cid]

This only seems to happen when I play Gondor, as in ALL of my 10+ Gondor campaigns Rohan has been destroyed, Silvan elves usually reduced to Thrandruil's halls, Dale gets destroyed, Dwarves TOTALLY ignore both OOTM and Rhun, Eriador actually takes Gram (most of the time, but otherwise loses all of its eastern settlements to OOTM and Isengard) but otherwise sits on the toilet, High Elves don't do anything (except war with Eriador... -.- ), so I'm left as Gondor with fighting Morder to the East, Harad to the south, ISengard to the North since I declared war on them whilst trying to save Rohan, and Rhun from the NE... Its so ing annoying!!!

As High elves and other factions however, I've found that the rest of the good factions do quite well. Now I'd say this is just randomized AI behaviour, but I find it weird as hell that EVERY SINGLE Gondor campaign I've played, the exact same result occurs.

Eriador and the High Elves can't be at war, they are allied from the start.

[luckybeaver]

Eriador and the High Elves can't be at war, they are allied from the start.

What? Oops! I meant dwarves, typing fail

[Alone Elf]

In the campaign I'm playing at the moment, Rohan is actually holding its own quite well since I'm dealing with Mordor and Harad (I'm playing as Gondor). Rohan was able to almost completely wipe out Saruman (with only a little of my help in finishing Saruman's last settlement)

[mattgoby]

Im playing isengard and ive just wiped rohan but the lorien elves [im using frome] just took mordor and killed last ootm general gondor has just taken minus morgul.

[Loki_999]

My current game is a mix. Dale is having a hard time and I had to help out the dwarves a little with some reinforcements but Rohan is doing ok and Gondor is holding out against Harad and Mordor.

Not exactly sure what is happening on the other side of the misty mountains as I only have 1 diplomat wandering around there but presume they are playing with Isengard and OOTMM, although i also have been playing with the Orcs as well and just took Moria last night... that was one hell of a battle, almost ran out of time, but made easier because the AI put his Balrogs on the ramparts... I had 4 units of ballistae in my army... a few salvos and the Balrogs were all dead.

[Muffer Nl]

No.

[MonkeyChief]

I find that Dale consistantly kick ass, but thats pretty much all that is garunteed (from my experience). On my current Gondor campaign, OOTMM has taken out Eriador, a big chunk of the Dwarves and are attacking Imaldris. Rohan are deadlocked with Isengard. In general, I think its very variable.

[MDT]

I think it dependes on how much of the good factions actually attack the evil ones and how fast they do it and this is quit random.
Rohan does well if HE and Eriador also attack isengard, so does Dale with Rhun if the Dwarves help them.
Also if Dwarves and He push good into ootmm SE tend to conquer dol guldur and this helps Gondor a bit I think.
In my campaigns Dwarves often are millitary number 1 but surrounded by allies in the north and this is really bad for the other good factions.