Israel

[damnmap]

What do you guys think of Israel? I think the jews are entitled to their patch of land, the arabs took alot of land by force as well as ruthlessly converting the habitants via the sword and jizra. Assuredly the jews are allowed their own patch of turf?

[Landsknecht_88]

What do you guys think of Israel? I think the jews are entitled to their patch of land, the arabs took alot of land by force as well as ruthlessly converting the habitants via the sword and jizra. Assuredly the jews are allowed their own patch of turf?

I'm rather indifferent on the issue, since I'm neither Jew or Arab. Territorial ownership comes and goes, for better or worse. Northern America was originally inhabited by the primitive Natives, but as the Europeans colonized the continent and multiplied at a faster rate the continent gradually became European. Then there's Prussia and the Baltic States. It was inhabited largely by Slavs, but with the Teutonic Order's crusades, many Germans came to settle the area. Later on during WW2, the German majority in the area disappeared as 8.500.000 Germans fled west from the Russian hordes.

[Amagi]

Israel?

Prof. Faurrisson:

Before the war, and still in the early stages thereof, the Germans had seriously considered as a solution the settling of European Jews on the island of Madagascar. In doing so they were taking up an idea that had been studied in 1937 by the Polish, French and British authorities, and even by the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, but, with the intensification of the conflict, they had to abandon that idea. As for the settling of European Jews in Palestine, they had ended up firmly opposing it. As late as in January 1944, during talks with the British, the German foreign office stated that, if the British would in fact agree to take in a convoy of 5,000 Jews comprised of children (85%) and accompanying adults (15%), it could only be on condition of accepting them definitively and of prohibiting their subsequent emigration to Palestine:

The Government of the Reich cannot take part in a maneuver aimed at allowing the Jews to chase the noble and valiant Palestinian people from their mother country, Palestine. These talks can continue only on condition that the British Government declare its readiness to accommodate the Jews in Great Britain and not in Palestine, and that it guarantee them the possibility to settle there definitively

(reminder from von Thadden, of the German foreign office's Gruppe Inland II, Berlin, 29 April, 1944; document catalogued by the Allies under the number NG-1794 and reproduced in French by Henri Monneray, former assistant in the French delegation's office of prosecution at the Nuremberg trial, in his work La Persécution des juifs dans les Pays de l'Est, assemblage of documents, Paris, Editions du Centre [i.e., the Centre de documentation juive contemporaine], 1949, p. 169-170).

On January 18, 1945 Heinrich Himmler wrote in a personal note made after a meeting with Swiss president Jean-Marie Lusy, who served as intermediary with the Americans:

Once again I more precisely stated to him my view [on the Jews]. We put our Jews to work, including, of course, in heavy labor, such as road and canal construction, in mining operations, and as a result there has been a high death rate. Since negotiations began about improving the lot of the Jews, they have been assigned to normal work, although naturally they have to work, just like Germans, in the armaments industry. Our point of view on the Jewish question is this: we are not at all interested in the position taken by America and England regarding the Jews. One thing is clear: based on our decades of experience with them since the [first] world war, we do not want them in Germany or in the German living space, and in this matter we will not allow any discussion. If America wants them, we welcome that. It is not to be permitted — and for this a guarantee must be given — that the Jews whom we let out by way of Switzerland ever be transferred to Palestine. We know that the Arabs reject the Jews just as much as we Germans do and we will not permit the indecency [Unanständigkeit] of sending still more Jews to that poor nation already tormented by the Jews

(original document, with Himmler's hand-written annotations, as reproduced by Werner Maser, Nürnberg, Tribunal der Sieger, Droemer Knaur, Munich-Zurich, 1979, p. 262-263).

Unfortunately it was the Third reich, that teached the jews how to form a state, in places such as the Theresienstadt Gettho they tried to teach the jews the skills, to form their own nation, hoping this would end their "parasitic" nature and for it beeing a humane way to get rid of them. As seen by the quotes above, the Reich denied them palestine beeing a good place for them to be.
The "final solution "of the jewish question was about to be postponed till after the war.

Before and during the war, on numerous occasions and even as late as in April 1945, Hitler and the National Socialist leaders publicly proposed that the Allies take the Jews of Europe into their own countries. "Have them, these Jews you find so wonderful; we'll make a present of them to you. Why do you hesitate?": the National Socialists put it in words clearly to that effect. Apart from a few rare cases, the Allies replied either with silence or refusal, for they knew perfectly well that Hitler was not at all going about exterminating the Jews. We have, for example, documentary proof that the senior Allied officials did not believe the madcap stories of gas chambers, a fact that explains why, either during or after the war, Churchill, De Gaulle, Eisenhower, Stalin, Benes and others of their station never spoke of those vaudeville-hall monstrosities. Hitler sought merely to achieve a "final territorial solution to the Jewish question." The court historians systematically erase the cumbersome adjective "territorial," preferring to speak only of a "final solution" and, thanks to this wrongful shortening of a phrase, let people understand that it was a matter of solving the Jewish question through a methodical extermination! Hitler, in reality, wanted to see a territory reserved for the Jews somewhere outside of Europe, but not in Palestine.

Prof. Faurrisson


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Israel is built upon lies upon lies upon lies. There is no justification for that monstrsity "Israel", neither by religion (the european khazars settling there have no bondage with the biblical "Israelites") nor did England have the right to grant them their mandate on palestine in return for zionist circles bringing the US into war.

"For while the Zionists try to make the rest of the world believe that the national consciousness of the Jew finds its satisfaction in the creation of a Palestinian state, the Jews again slyly dupe the dumb Goyim. It doesn't even enter their heads to build up a Jewish state in Palestine for the purpose of living there; all they want is a central organization for their international world swindle, endowed with its own sovereign rights and removed from the intervention of other states: a haven for convicted scoundrels and a university for budding crooks."

Adolf Hitler

That disgrace to humanity needs to be dismantled, put under UN supervision until the palestinians are able to run the country again. The current regime should be put in front of a warcrime trial and subsequently shot. My stance on Israel? There is no "Israel", just occupied Palestine.
Amagi

[Jom]

I'm not even going to bother. You cite Adolf Hitler as an authority on Israel and Robert Faurisson who is a disgraced holocaust denier who has participated in what was essentially a Holocaust denial festival funded by the Iranian government.

[Tiberios]

I'm not even going to bother. You cite Adolf Hitler as an authority on Israel and Robert Faurisson who is a disgraced holocaust denier who has participated in what was essentially a Holocaust denial festival funded by the Iranian government.

This.

wtf? let Mr. xyz occupy mr abc's house! why? because mr xyz is an educated person. why don't you simply say that you cannot come out of your crusade mentality which urges you people to keep us deprive of our land. We are not beggars for peace and our rights, in history we fiercely answered your attempts of occupying our land just because that was "holy" to you, yes today we are week but we do not beg for mercy or peace, when we would be able we would take our right back by force.

God this is hillarious

Seriously Poet, there isn'ty any Western conspiracy to launch any crusade to destroy Islam.

Besides, who gives you the right to say which places are holy to Christians or Jews?
Jerusalem is a holy city for both Christianity, Judaism and islam, why is that so hard to just accept.

[Applesmack]

Islamofascists and neo-Nazis are cahoots against those evil Jews....Only on twcenter...

BTW, I would not consider myself an Israel supporter and do not believe the state of Israel should have ever come into existence. However, now that it does exist and has existed for so long as a home to many families, destroying it would be very wrong.

[Surgeon]

Yes Israel has a right to exist.

Now tell me whose alt you are and stop trollbaiting

[memo]

Yes Israel has a right to exist.

Now tell me whose alt you are and stop trollbaiting

nonono israel have no rights at all

[Blaze86420]

the arab-israeli conflict will not end nicely

[Stavroforos]

Israel shouldn't exist, but since it does exist, it has a right to continue to do so.

[Vermelho_Steele]

WTF? what is Amagi doing not ranting about how evil the Jews are and that they control the USA from Tel Aviv. I also thought that the Jews were going to make AmeirKKKa attack Iran and cause WWIII because Russia, China, India, Europe and the whole Middle-East would join the war, even though that's illogical and LULZy at best.
At worst it's paranoia and delusion.

[Amagi]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

a) Writing in red
b) Using CAPSLOCKS!
c) Unable to reproduce my basic statements in another thread correctly
d) Childish signature
Conclusion: Not worth it.

Although the current inhabitants of "Israel" are in no way related to the biblical israelites/jews mentioned in the bible, I found this description very fitting for the current state of Israel aswell:

“As a thief is disgraced only when caught, so too is the house of Israel disgraced…On your clothes are found the lifeblood of the innocent poor, and yet in spite of all this you dare to say ‘I am innocent!’…The leaders dress the wound of Israel as though it were not serious, and yet, are the people of Israel ashamed of their loathsome conduct? No, they have no shame at all…They do not even know how to blush. They cling to deceit and no one repents of their wickedness, saying ‘what have I done?’…And although you wash yourself with an abundance of soap the stain of your guilt is ever before me…”

– Book of Jeremiah

[Vermelho_Steele]

Ah, you did see the post. Anyway, how is posting in red somewhow evil? wait, you think all Jews are trying to rule the world, so.... who's the childish one there?


Do not mock Hello Kitty.

[mrcrusty]

Amagi, georgeman, Poet and damnmap all in one thread.

I lol'd.

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I apologise, please continue.

[Duke Lucifer]

Israel has a right to exist..

So does Palestine.

Finding a solution that allows both equitably however, sadly isn't happening.

[♔Goodguy1066♔]

...So does Palestine...

No, Palestine had a right to exist, but they lost that right when they and their Arab allies went to war with Israel, when they tried to "drive the Jews into the sea" and all that.

[Jom]

No, Palestine had a right to exist, but they lost that right when they and their Arab allies went to war with Israel, when they tried to "drive the Jews into the sea" and all that.

I don't think a country going to war is a very good premise for saying that it has no right to exist. Ah, of course. It went to war with Israel.

[Sir Pignans]

No, Palestine had a right to exist, but they lost that right when they and their Arab allies went to war with Israel, when they tried to "drive the Jews into the sea" and all that.

The stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Just because you get attacked, does not mean you have an automatic right to capture all there lands.

Immature and childish and not beffiting a 'civilsied' state.

Now, I'm not debating the right of Israel to exist, I'm saying Palestine has a right to exist.

And the argument you just cited, is bollocks.

[Yoni]

The stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Just because you get attacked, does not mean you have an automatic right to capture all there lands.

Immature and childish and not beffiting a 'civilsied' state.

Now, I'm not debating the right of Israel to exist, I'm saying Palestine has a right to exist.

And the argument you just cited, is bollocks.

1.Yes, it is stupid.
2.It is not the stupidest thing you have ever heard.
3.If they attack you in hope to drive you into the sea, It does give you the right to capture all of there lands, but when they stop trying to kill you and want to live in peace with you, then you need to give them their lands back.

[Sir Pignans]

1.Yes, it is stupid.
2.It is not the stupidest thing you have ever heard.
3.If they attack you in hope to drive you into the sea, It does give you the right to capture all of there lands, but when they stop trying to kill you and want to live in peace with you, then you need to give them their lands back.

Fine maybe its not the stupidest thing I've ever heard, but it comes pretty darn close, and talking in terms of this conflict it is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

And to answer three, what right did Israel have to those lands in the first place? None. And don't start quoting me dates from when the Romans kicked them out, working on that logic, the native Americans should own most of the area surrounding the colorado + acres more.

So there not really driving them into the sea, there saying, get the hell off our neighbors land.