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    Default Albania and Atropatene - Ancient Azerbaijan

    Caucasian Albania and Atropatene.

    Caucasian Albania = Modern day Republic of Azerbaijan

    Atropatene = Modern day Iranian Azerbaijan.



    Gabala (located in northern Azerbaijan) ancient capital of Caucasian Albania.

    Portray of Cabalaca, capital of Caucasian Albania.



    The walls in Gabala.



    Church of Kish, probably the earliest built church in whole Caucasus. Good exampele of Alban architecture.

    Located in Sheki - northern Azerbaijan.



    "A column capital of VII c. Christian church with an inscription in Caucasian Albanian, found in Mingachevir.[61] The column capital is now kept on display at Azerbaijan State Museum of History."



    Alban alphabet, found in Sheki, Azerbaijan.

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    Qazaka, ancient capital of Atropatene.








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    Alban warriors






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    delete......
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    The Caucasian Albanian alphabet is very similar to the Armenian alphabet

    History says that Mesrob Mashtots, Armenian monk, created both alphabets.
    According to Movses Kaghankatvatsi, the Caucasian Albanian alphabet was created by Mesrob Mashtots, the Armenian monk, theologian and translator who is also credited with creating the Armenian and Georgian alphabets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gago View Post
    The Caucasian Albanian alphabet is very similar to the Armenian alphabet

    History says that Mesrob Mashtots, Armenian monk, created both alphabets.
    To be honest, I find that unlikely. Far more likely, Both alphabets either came from an original source or they borrowed elements from each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalid View Post
    To be honest, I find that unlikely. Far more likely, Both alphabets either came from an original source or they borrowed elements from each other.
    Georgian, Armenian, and presumably Caucasian Albanian, based on it's similarities to Armenian and Georgian, are based to a certain extent on the Greek alphabet, like latin and cyrillic. It's really just a matter of cultural influence, again, to a certain extent, the routes christianity took to get to those places (though I suppose you could just chalk that up to cultural influence.)

    It's not exactly a stretch to see "ayp, ben, gim" is based off of "alpha, beta, gamma" (which in turn is based on phoenician letters but hell if i know the names of those...just gimmel. Cookie to who guesses what letter that is.)

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    According to Armenians, everything in Caucasus are from Armenians...

    Even the churches that Armenians claim in Karabakh are proven to be old Alban churches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalid View Post
    To be honest, I find that unlikely. Far more likely, Both alphabets either came from an original source or they borrowed elements from each other.
    But the thing is when you look at the history of both nations than you see that the cultures are very similar so similar that at one point the Albanian Church merged with the Armenian church. So it's very possible for an Armenian monk to invent both of the alphabets.
    Quote Originally Posted by Atabeg View Post
    According to Armenians, everything in Caucasus are from Armenians...

    Even the churches that Armenians claim in Karabakh are proven to be old Alban churches.
    Proven by whom? Can you please tell me that?

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    I personally find it hilarious that even though Azeris and Armenians hate each, they're more closely related to each then other group. Azeris, by large, only have a slight amount of Turkic ancestry and they're largely indigenous Caucasian. In fact, I daresy Armenians and Azeris pretty much look the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by karo View Post
    But the thing is when you look at the history of both nations than you see that the cultures are very similar so similar that at one point the Albanian Church merged with the Armenian church. So it's very possible for an Armenian monk to invent both of the alphabets.
    I don't dispute the Cultural closeness of Albanian and Armenians, but rather the about the monk inventing Albanian and Georgian language. Which seem to be more nationalistic then anything.

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    "According to Movses Kaghankatvatsi, the Caucasian Albanian alphabet was created by Mesrob Mashtots, the Armenian monk, theologian and translator who is also credited with creating the Armenian and Georgian alphabets."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasi...anian_alphabet

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    Default Re: Albania and Atropatene - Ancient Azerbaijan

    Quote Originally Posted by Khalid View Post
    I don't dispute the Cultural closeness of Albanian and Armenians, but rather the about the monk inventing Albanian and Georgian language. Which seem to be more nationalistic then anything.
    Well no one said a monk invented both languages. Some claim he made both alphabets. Which is quite likely given that monks were better educated than most people back then.

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    Default Re: Albania and Atropatene - Ancient Azerbaijan

    interesting...

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    Default Re: Albania and Atropatene - Ancient Azerbaijan

    Nice pics, but Albania and Atropatene are not ancient Azerbaijan, they are both extinct nations. What you claim is like saying that the Byzantine Empire is ancient Turkey. Azerbaijan is in fact a Turkic nation and the only heritage it can effectively claim is that of the Turkic nomads who came from the Central Asia in the 11th century.


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