Dishonored, what to do?

**Lord Willy** · April 25, 2010, 05:01 AM

Playing with Moors ,and as with the Byzantine all My generals feel dishonoured ... and have none loyalty or 1 and sometimes became rebels

How to make them loyal... ?

Thanks

Willy

**danny85** · April 25, 2010, 07:26 AM

have the same problem with the turks.

tried:
- to group them up with the king (full authority, so that's not the problem)
- to group them with loyal generals (usually foreign ones that just married one of my princesses - could this be the problem that they don't like to have foreign people in their families?)
- let them fight all day long (sometimes that makes it even worse - you know, "bent on glory")
- send them on a jihad (helps a little)
- move them around from city to city (govenors)

but nothing really helped. the are born, get soon the "disrespected" trait end end up feeling "dishonored", no matter what i do.

my king has, as i said, full authority, full command and also full dread - is fact menctioned last a problem?
in general, is it better to have a very chivalrous king or a very dreadful one?

thanks again for hints,
danny

**Lord Willy** · April 25, 2010, 09:46 AM

yeah tried to do some hints that you have mentioned ,and disabled crown duty too but notthing

Thank you

Willy

**Taiji** · April 25, 2010, 09:58 AM

If they're stuck in one place they get bored.

**danny85** · April 25, 2010, 12:03 PM

i don't mean to be unpolite, but that doesn't answer the question at all...
read my post carefully, moving around the leaders has already been mentioned and didn't improve the situation.

do you think some of the guesses i suggested might be the problem?

**Taiji** · April 25, 2010, 01:06 PM

I don't know really, I suggest you look at EDCT if you've given up trying to work it out. That was one off the top of my head, and it does answer the OP question, but not all of it. I didn't read your post at all, I think, sorry if it was somehow addressed to me.

BTW even if I knew the whole answer I wouldn't say

**danny85** · April 25, 2010, 01:36 PM

hehe

thank you for the moment...

this was mentioned before, but crown duty is also something that really annoyes the leaders, so be sure to turn it off if you want a higher loyality.

**Kjertesvein** · April 25, 2010, 11:21 PM

Blessed is the man who has found his work; let him ask no other blessedness. Know thy work, and do it; and work at it like Hercules. One monster there is in the world, the idle man.

~Thomas Wille, p. 367.

Whatever you do, don't let them do nothing. If he is a governnor, let the man build. If he is a general, let the man fight. If he is a christian... (warning, eastern egg) then let the man join a crusade, then unclick the crusade over and over. His swinging unconsistency and unreliability (ofa true theist

) will enable him to become a true "...The Saint" with very good traits. I personally allways have a very chivalrous kings and I have no problem, what-so-ever with loyalty.

If you still have a tug of war with this, then upload a save game and tell me what DLV 6.2 BB version you have

~W

**Furin** · April 26, 2010, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sivilombudsmannen

~Thomas Wille, p. 367.

Whatever you do, don't let them do nothing. If he is a governnor, let the man build. If he is a general, let the man fight. If he is a christian... (warning, eastern egg) then let the man join a crusade, then unclick the crusade over and over. His swinging unconsistency and unreliability (ofa true theist

) will enable him to become a true "...The Saint" with very good traits. I personally allways have a very chivalrous kings and I have no problem, what-so-ever with loyalty.
~W

This is hell of a sweet exploit I wasn't aware of, and so easily fixable too. I will definitly use that, just for the "pumping iron" effect when joining a crusade for a dozen of times

**Ahlerich** · April 28, 2010, 03:03 AM

yeah but seriously... the solution to half of the dlv features are exploits...should make you rethink some features

**Imladrik** · April 28, 2010, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Ahlerich

yeah but seriously... the solution to half of the dlv features are exploits...should make you rethink some features

Still beats the original, would'nt you say?

So best not to have multiple generals in one settlement, since only one is actually governing, correct?

And regarding re-joining crusades, there's a certain amount of time after the launch of the crusade in which you can use this trick. Be careful though, I got a crusading army in the holy lands once with a non-crusading general because he wasn't allowed to join the crusade anymore, somewhat curious!

**Ahlerich** · April 28, 2010, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Imladrik

Still beats the original, would'nt you say?

So best not to have multiple generals in one settlement, since only one is actually governing, correct?

And regarding re-joining crusades, there's a certain amount of time after the launch of the crusade in which you can use this trick. Be careful though, I got a crusading army in the holy lands once with a non-crusading general because he wasn't allowed to join the crusade anymore, somewhat curious!

of course its a good mod. played several versions a lot. in fact if i wouldnt be punnished for posting a pic with naked men in the forum (lol) i d even still have my dlv sig in.

however playing it a lot i realized that some features i really dislike, which is why i am creating my personal mod with only some features. that opinion must be allowed.

there are a few things in the mod that harm the gameplay in my opinion. only a few. and the dishonor/loyalty issues that get many generals to go rogue like sarah palin

is one of them. especially in combination with the not 100% dungeon script.

it is challanging to get heirs strong enough that they get enough authority to keep the empire together once they become king. to keep all generals loyal is simply either impossible or extremely hard - making it annoying. sometimes there is simply not enough enemy to keep them all busy fighting.
further into the game this becomes a real game breaker. i am thinking that many poeple just dont play the game extensively and far in so they simply dont notice the obvious fact.

when i critisize stuff in here its in the hope that some things might be rethought or even changed or made optional at least.
i see the position of the teutonic order has improved in the recent versions and the almost hardcoded alliance system has been made optional. this were things i critisized, made threads and polls about and maye i had some indirect influence in these positive changes.
so critisizing should be allowed.

**Taiji** · April 28, 2010, 08:44 AM

At the risk of pointing out the obvious: Cheating ruins the game!

I know some haven't yet realised this, I feel like an old man with the wisdom of the ages....

**Kjertesvein** · April 28, 2010, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Taiji

At the risk of pointing out the obvious: Cheating ruins the game!

I know some haven't yet realised this, I feel like an old man with the wisdom of the ages....

It's not cheating, it's an eastern egg which people have jet to focused on, and perhaps altered/condemmed by the majority.

~Captain Wille the Obvious.

**Taiji** · April 28, 2010, 11:42 AM

You mean 'easter-egg'.

You have to show that it was intentionally set up for this function in order to honestly state that.

Until you do that we call it an 'exploit'.

Using something known to be an exploit is called 'cheating'.

Feeling upset when someone calls you a cheat, because you are one, is called 'being a wuss'.