Machiavellian back-stabbery

[Tidybeard]

I've just got a campaign going as Russia (up to about 1708 or thereabouts). I'm allied with Poland-Lithuania who are very friendly with me. They have, however, sent a small-ish army to stand right next to Kiev. The threat is currently minimal as I have a garrison and a larger external army just outside the city. If I move the bigger army away (as I have a war with Dagestan and the Crimean Khanate going on), am I likely to get attacked by Poland? I'm not familiar with the ins-and-outs with Empire as I am with Medieval 2 (in which you get backstabbed at every opportunity, allies or not).

[Zaydin]

If you are worried about an invasion, reinforce the garrison in Kiev, and if you have military access to Poland, plant some of your own armies next to some of their cities. So that way if they attack you, you have armies in place to bring the war right to them immediately. More importantly, you can capture some more ground quickly if they do, and get the important income from them.

[ginger_hammer]

I reckon you should be ok, I had that happen a lot on my recent Austria campaign with allies placing full stacks next to my cities but they never backstabbed, and proved quite useful assisting in defence when attacked by enemies.

[Rule_Brittania]

i have this right now in my current GB campaign. Maratha Confed. have a small stack outside Calcutta and we are strong allies. It is not worrying me to much as i have a decent defence so they will get wiped if they get excited.

[Zaydin]

I reckon you should be ok, I had that happen a lot on my recent Austria campaign with allies placing full stacks next to my cities but they never backstabbed, and proved quite useful assisting in defence when attacked by enemies.

Whatever bug you have, I wish I did. I had a very friendly relation with Marathas and they declared war on me, and I hadn't even moved into India to start taking territories I needed for GBs victory conditions. I think I had an alliance with Poland, as well, and they declared war on me, too.

[Tango12345]

There is a bug with ETW that if you give a faction military access, it is very unlikely to declare war on you. Assuming you did that, there is very little risk of you being backstabbed. I don't know much about this issue though-I am only repeating what I have been told.

[Underarmour]

There is a bug with ETW that if you give a faction military access, it is very unlikely to declare war on you. Assuming you did that, there is very little risk of you being backstabbed. I don't know much about this issue though-I am only repeating what I have been told.

I don't believe this is the case. I heard about this bug as well, and I tested it in my current campaign with a few nations who were Hostile towards me -- they did indeed declare war on me despite having indefinite military access to my lands

[eXistenZ]

Well, being the UP, i Have a very long Millitary alliance with Westphalia. They have 2 stacks in flanders, and i don't mind, cause everytime the french attack, they help me

[N3rull]

Well, being the UP, i Have a very long Millitary alliance with Westphalia. They have 2 stacks in flanders, and i don't mind, cause everytime the french attack, they help me

You could almost think that the AI is actually willing to help their ally out!
Ha!
If only we weren't all aware that the CA-developed AI isn't capable of such sensible action... or is it?

[eXistenZ]

You could almost think that the AI is actually willing to help their ally out!
Ha!
If only we weren't all aware that the CA-developed AI isn't capable of such sensible action... or is it?

Only downside is that they don't seem to replenish their troops

[RootsKW]

There is a bug with ETW that if you give a faction military access, it is very unlikely to declare war on you.

How is that a bug? It makes sense to me.

[Lowes]

Honestly old thing, them backstabbing you will probably save you alot of trouble later on. I suspect you need their lands for victory; and if you were to back-stab them, well, lets just say you would be one unpopular chap! Them backstabbing you will weaken their prestige and other nation's resolve to ally with them.

Though, by the sounds of it; I do believe you are safe from any treachery at the moment. At any rate, you will have fair warning if they do attack.

[♔Drewoid13♔]

typically the infinite access won't work if your relations are bad because your relations are bad! But i've never had a faction break access when I signed the treaty when they were neutral to me. Of course from there relations only improve by the modifiers so naturally the ally won't break treaty after a few turns as your relations improve.

[Underarmour]

typically the infinite access won't work if your relations are bad because your relations are bad! But i've never had a faction break access when I signed the treaty when they were neutral to me. Of course from there relations only improve by the modifiers so naturally the ally won't break treaty after a few turns as your relations improve.

I also tried it on GB, who was Indifferent and a Trade Partner with me. They also broke the indefinite military access treaty and declared war on me.

[♔Drewoid13♔]

I also tried it on GB, who was Indifferent and a Trade Partner with me. They also broke the indefinite military access treaty and declared war on me.

maybe its just me then!

[War&Politics]

No don't worry, playing as Sweden I was very concerned about Danish stacks marching through my territory. Turns out they were actually trying to help me in my war against the Prussians. Not very effectively I might add, but no backstabbing either!

[Heavy Weapons Guy]

They are guarding your city from invasion, they don't have a thought to attack!

[eXistenZ]

i'm playing UP, and i allied with the mughals to clear out the marathas. How do i get them to break the alliance, cause i'll need Hindustan from them. Same story with Britain and New york.

Will terminating the military acces cause them to break the alliance? Or can i break the alliance, and give other states state gifts so they wont all be hostile with me.

Thanks

[Zaydin]

No don't worry, playing as Sweden I was very concerned about Danish stacks marching through my territory. Turns out they were actually trying to help me in my war against the Prussians. Not very effectively I might add, but no backstabbing either!

Think of them as cannon fodder! Weakening the Prussians for you a little. Wish my allies would do that, but I tend to avoid being at war with more than one faction at a time, especially if it could cause havoc to my trade routes.

[Underarmour]

Think of them as cannon fodder! Weakening the Prussians for you a little. Wish my allies would do that, but I tend to avoid being at war with more than one faction at a time, especially if it could cause havoc to my trade routes.

I'm currently at war with 6 nations.


And that's NOT including pirates and barbary states, lol