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    Default What lies beyond the universe?

    I have heard many times people saying that the universe is expanding. But expanding to what? I mean, look at this diagram:
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    It appears like a balloon that is being blown and is getting bigger. But unlike a balloon, which has a world and a universe outside of it, the universe is supposed to be existence itself. So what is outside the universe (the white place in the diagram)? Thoughts?
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    Both male and female walruses have tusks and have been observed using these overgrown teeth to help pull themselves out of the water.

    The mustached and long-tusked walrus is most often found near the Arctic Circle, lying on the ice with hundreds of companions. These marine mammals are extremely sociable, prone to loudly bellowing and snorting at one another, but are aggressive during mating season. With wrinkled brown and pink hides, walruses are distinguished by their long white tusks, grizzly whiskers, flat flipper, and bodies full of blubber.
    Walruses use their iconic long tusks for a variety of reasons, each of which makes their lives in the Arctic a bit easier. They use them to haul their enormous bodies out of frigid waters, thus their "tooth-walking" label, and to break breathing holes into ice from below. Their tusks, which are found on both males and females, can extend to about three feet (one meter), and are, in fact, large canine teeth, which grow throughout their lives. Male walruses, or bulls, also employ their tusks aggressively to maintain territory and, during mating season, to protect their harems of females, or cows.
    The walrus' other characteristic features are equally useful. As their favorite meals, particularly shellfish, are found near the dark ocean floor, walruses use their extremely sensitive whiskers, called mustacial vibrissae, as detection devices. Their blubbery bodies allow them to live comfortably in the Arctic region—walruses are capable of slowing their heartbeats in order to withstand the polar temperatures of the surrounding waters.
    The two subspecies of walrus are divided geographically. Atlantic walruses inhabit coastal areas from northeastern Canada to Greenland, while Pacific walruses inhabit the northern seas off Russia and Alaska, migrating seasonally from their southern range in the Bering Sea—where they are found on the pack ice in winter—to the Chukchi Sea. Female Pacific walruses give birth to calves during the spring migration north.
    Only Native Americans are currently allowed to hunt walruses, as the species' survival was threatened by past overhunting. Their tusks, oil, skin, and meat were so sought after in the 18th and 19th centuries that the walrus was hunted to extinction in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and around Sable Island, off the coast of Nova Scotia.

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    Default Re: What lies beyond the universe?

    Nobody has any sorta ing clue as far as I know.

    But a wild guess maybe an empty space before you reach another Universe (Balloon).

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    The assumption with the word is that this is the whole of existance and thus the Universe. The word space implies emptyness the vacancy of being. So the expansion is into the emptyness. The emptyness is never full as the most extream point of our Universe is still in the universe so never technically escapes. Any other Universal system a long way beyond our Universe would be classed as the whole of a Universe and a new term used to describe both individual things would be invented.



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    Default Re: What lies beyond the universe?

    Well, current theories are that the universe doesn't expand into anything (not even nothing). It in fact create creates the nothing it expands into as it expands.


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    Default Re: What lies beyond the universe?

    Well, the Universe isn't really like an expanding balloon, the universe has no center to start with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trax View Post
    Well, the Universe isn't really like an expanding balloon, the universe has no center to start with.
    Well, if the universe started expanding from the big bang, and from there outwards, then surely the universe has a centre...
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    Both male and female walruses have tusks and have been observed using these overgrown teeth to help pull themselves out of the water.

    The mustached and long-tusked walrus is most often found near the Arctic Circle, lying on the ice with hundreds of companions. These marine mammals are extremely sociable, prone to loudly bellowing and snorting at one another, but are aggressive during mating season. With wrinkled brown and pink hides, walruses are distinguished by their long white tusks, grizzly whiskers, flat flipper, and bodies full of blubber.
    Walruses use their iconic long tusks for a variety of reasons, each of which makes their lives in the Arctic a bit easier. They use them to haul their enormous bodies out of frigid waters, thus their "tooth-walking" label, and to break breathing holes into ice from below. Their tusks, which are found on both males and females, can extend to about three feet (one meter), and are, in fact, large canine teeth, which grow throughout their lives. Male walruses, or bulls, also employ their tusks aggressively to maintain territory and, during mating season, to protect their harems of females, or cows.
    The walrus' other characteristic features are equally useful. As their favorite meals, particularly shellfish, are found near the dark ocean floor, walruses use their extremely sensitive whiskers, called mustacial vibrissae, as detection devices. Their blubbery bodies allow them to live comfortably in the Arctic region—walruses are capable of slowing their heartbeats in order to withstand the polar temperatures of the surrounding waters.
    The two subspecies of walrus are divided geographically. Atlantic walruses inhabit coastal areas from northeastern Canada to Greenland, while Pacific walruses inhabit the northern seas off Russia and Alaska, migrating seasonally from their southern range in the Bering Sea—where they are found on the pack ice in winter—to the Chukchi Sea. Female Pacific walruses give birth to calves during the spring migration north.
    Only Native Americans are currently allowed to hunt walruses, as the species' survival was threatened by past overhunting. Their tusks, oil, skin, and meat were so sought after in the 18th and 19th centuries that the walrus was hunted to extinction in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and around Sable Island, off the coast of Nova Scotia.

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    Default Re: What lies beyond the universe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Trax View Post
    Well, the Universe isn't really like an expanding balloon, the universe has no center to start with.
    um..big bang mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkarin View Post
    um..big bang mate.
    The BBT does not give the universe a center.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Comrade Wiggum View Post
    The BBT does not give the universe a center.
    it gives a point of expansion therefore a 'center'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkarin View Post
    it gives a point of expansion therefore a 'center'

    There is no point of expansion. Space did not, and is not expanding from a single point. It expands from everywhere, like the surface of an inflating balloon.
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    To answer the actual question, according to present theory (which tbh isn’t well understood) the “(observable) universe” is expanding into the rest of the universe…….

    Current Big Bang theory requires a process called Inflation, where in the first billionths of a second after the Big Bang the universe expanded at a phenomenal rate, expanding faster than the speed of light (before you start to crow, objects are limited to moving at the speed of light within Spacetime, Spacetime itself can move at any speed it wishes provided the energy is there to do it.).

    This means that, because some parts of the universe have moved away from us faster than the speed of light, the light from them can never reach us and so are unobservable. This indicates that the extent of the known universe is not all there is, that the speed of light creates a “horizon” barrier where pocket universes form.

    Of course, as I said, Cosmology as a proper science is relatively young and there are many unanswered questions of which hopefully some will be answered soon with new experiments.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alkarin View Post
    it gives a point of expansion therefore a 'center'
    The Big Bang was not a point in Spacetime, it WAS Spacetime (or at least the extent of it circa 13.7 billion years ago).

    The expansion of Spacetime must be isotropic, all parts expand at the the same rate, if they didn't the universe wouldnt be as homogeneous as we perceive it today. I know that might seem strange but on the large scales the universe is essentially the same in all directions, hence the uniformity of things like the Cosmic Microwave Background.

    Imagine the deflated balloon crunched up in a ball (the Big Bang), there is no centre to it’s surface. Now inflate the balloon, there is still no centre to the surface of the balloon.


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    Time and space are Einstein's 4th spatial dimension called spacetime. He asserts the two are intrinsically linked. It was this assertion that lead to his monumental theories.
    Certain properties of Time act like a spatial dimension, (for example when you perform a rotation transform on them), which Einstein showed had important results like the one you point out, but that does not make it one. Yes they are intrinsically linked, but they are NOT the same.
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    Well, I'm no scientist but keep in mind that we humans use certain concepts to help us understand the world. For example the concept being used here is that if there is an inside there must be an outside. But who's to say that concept is the truth? After all, our eyes lie to us all the time. Look in the distance and the earth certainly doesn't appear to be round. Yet it is. So maybe there is nothing at all outside the universe.
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    The universe does not expand or contract from the outside what we are observing as inflation of the universe is actually just the effect of space in the 4th dimension called spacetime. So the universe is expanding on the inside because it is infinite in spacetime dimension but not on the outside because it is finite as far as the initial conditions of our universe go.
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    That's right, ask the internet for the answer that nobody on earth knows or (likely) will ever know.

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    The Spaguetti Monster is outside of it...pulling the strings....
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    Starbucks.



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    I heard there is a cool restaurant at the end of the universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerichoOnlyFan View Post
    I heard there is a cool restaurant at the end of the universe.
    There will be a well known coffee shop next door then.



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    Default Re: What lies beyond the universe?

    Well, if the universe started expanding from the big bang, and from there outwards, then surely the universe has a centre...
    It isn't that easy, every location in Universe is equal, that means every point is as good as centre - otherwise we end up with some sort of glorified form of geocentrism.

    The balloon thing is just a nice analogy that helps to imagine the unimaginable.
    Try to see the Universe as the surface of the balloon not as the interior space.
    Where is the centre of the surface of the balloon?

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