Strong mongols minimod

[cedric37]

This minimod is compatible with last RR/RC compilation (**Apr 11**) and propose a slightly more powerfull mongols faction, with more cash more armies and more regions to start with and more realistic win conditions. It affects the late era campaign (1220 AD).
Also the upkeep of most of the field troops has been lowered too.

I found that in RR/RC mongols were merely goats and nothing compared to the raging storm they were in SS6.2 RC4.

So now all is fixed, and mongols get the cheer power that they deserve

Screen 1: you can see finances is not diminishing from turn 1

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Also you can see 1 added horde near Urgench.

Screen2: You can see mongols have Embi back and 3 hordes there + altered win conditions

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THIS IS NOT SAVE GAME COMPATIBLE.

Note you can benefit from the changes either by playing the mongols or playing against them.

Downloads:

- "almighty mongols": strong_mongols_campaign.rar (mongols get a king's purse of 30K)
- "big initial boost": strong_mongols_campaign_v2.rar (mongols get normal king's purse but start with 250K)
- "balanced mongols": strong_mongols_campaign_v3.rar (mongols get a king's purse of 30K, but this lower when they conquer more settlements to become normal at the end, so 2.5K after 30 settlements conquered)


Just extract into your M2TW folder and enjoy

[♛☧Priscilla☧♛]

Very splendid sir! This will be fun

[cedric37]

Ha ha glad to get a so fast comment (and positive moreover ).
Let the golden horde put the occident on his knees again

[axnsan]

Won't the 30k king purse make their economy too easy once the initial hordes are expended?

[cedric37]

Well, that's correct, that's why they are so strong

But there are 2 means to avoid the immense debt that mongols gain in a few turns (and which ruins completly their expansion):
- lowering the upkeeps (i already did that, now the upkeeps are between 100 and 200 roughly instead of nearly 600 for the elite cavalry units)
- increasing the king's purse (well as you see i doubled it).

So if i let the king's purse to 15K that means i must lower more the upkeeps or reduce the number of armies (which will kill the "Golden horde" effect, if at the end it is "Genghis, his 2 buddies and a dog conquering the east ).

So what do you suggest mate ?

EDIT: one last fix could be let the purse to 15K and give initial treasury amount to 100K or more ?

[axnsan]

Well I dunno. Just saying. An idea may be to decrease the purse by 1000 or such for every settlement captured so by the time they have about 20 settlements and most probably lost the initial momentum they will just become an ordinary faction with a regular kings purse.

[cedric37]

Well unfortunately i am not sure i can do that, but here is a version with 15K a turn (which is the normal king's purse in RR/RC) and starting 250K of gold (10x the normal amount). This let you around 15-20 turns (depending what you build or recruit) before you reach the red finances zone.

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Download: strong_mongols_campaign_v2.rar

EDIT: You gave me an idea though, maybe we can do the opposite, i mean boost the cash of mongols each end of turn depending on the number of regions gained (change in the custom script). The less settlements the more cash given. And in this case, well a purse of 2.5K is enough

[axnsan]

Well unfortunately i am not sure i can do that, but here is a version with 15K a turn (which is the normal king's purse in RR/RC) and starting 250K of gold (10x the normal amount). This let you around 15-20 turns (depending what you build or recruit) before you reach the red finances zone.

If you're talking about the purse, you can just check at the start of every turn how many settlements they have.
e.g if they have 3 settlements set their purse to 28500
4 = 27000
5 = 25500
etc

(set_kings_purse mongols x)

[cedric37]

Yep, i have found some piece of script to do this, i will try it. In this case you get 2.5K as king's purse.

;---- Mongol money
monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType mongols
and I_NumberOfSettlements mongols < 10
and I_NumberOfSettlements mongols > 0
console_command add_money mongols, 27500
end_monitor

monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType mongols
and I_NumberOfSettlements mongols < 20
and I_NumberOfSettlements mongols > 9
console_command add_money mongols, 12500
end_monitor

monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType mongols
and I_NumberOfSettlements mongols < 30
and I_NumberOfSettlements mongols > 19
console_command add_money mongols, 5000
end_monitor

Or i will try the command set_kings_purse mongols x

[cedric37]

I've added this piece of code in the custom_script.txt:

;---- Mongol money script (by cedric37)
monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType mongols
and I_NumberOfSettlements mongols < 10
and I_NumberOfSettlements mongols > 0
set_kings_purse mongols, 30000
end_monitor
monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType mongols
and I_NumberOfSettlements mongols < 20
and I_NumberOfSettlements mongols > 9
set_kings_purse mongols, 15000
end_monitor
monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionType mongols
and I_NumberOfSettlements mongols < 30
and I_NumberOfSettlements mongols > 19
set_kings_purse mongols, 2500
end_monitor

The game starts and run well and my king's purse is 30K so it seems to work (it is 15K in the descr_strat, so definitely it works ).

Thanks for the comments axnsan, i think this way is more balanced

Download: strong_mongols_campaign_v3.rar

[BURNY26]

A very low upkeep for hordes and the normal upkeep when recruited in cities . So a couple of turns, new stacks appear as cheap hordes ,until the end of the invasion . And in city recruited units have normal upkeep .

[cedric37]

A very low upkeep for hordes and the normal upkeep when recruited in cities . So a couple of turns, new stacks appear as cheap hordes ,until the end of the invasion . And in city recruited units have normal upkeep .

Thanks mate this is exactly what i did, all horde-like units are cheap but other units are normal cost including the city units. But castle recruited units of horde type are still cheap.

[BURNY26]

Thanks mate this is exactly what i did, all horde-like units are cheap but other units are normal cost including the city units. But castle recruited units of horde type are still cheap.

Just rered your first post , with field troops you meant hordes . Thought normally recruited ,but not present in a city . sry

[SoulBlade]

^ Is this possible?
No need to increase khan's purse to 30k, just learn to play SS in EB style. Hah

[cedric37]

^ Is this possible?
No need to increase khan's purse to 30k, just learn to play SS in EB style. Hah

What is EB style ? Sack and advance ? This just doesn't work as the loot is too poor (i tried this way and this does not make up for your finances...)

[SoulBlade]

What is EB style ? Sack and advance ? This just doesn't work as the loot is too poor (i tried this way and this does not make up for your finances...)

Yeah, something like this, you've never played EB the best mod for RTW? Basically you need to sack like 7-8 settlements before you can a decent economy.

[cedric37]

Yeah, something like this, you've never played EB the best mod for RTW? Basically you need to sack like 7-8 settlements before you can a decent economy.

If this would work it would fit 100% to the mongols, unfortunately even looting a good city gave me like 10K and you loose around 30K a turn in RR/RC. But if we can increase sacking JUST for the mongols to big amounts, it will really give the horde spirit

[SoulBlade]

If this would work it would fit 100% to the mongols, unfortunately even looting a good city gave me like 10K and you loose around 30K a turn in RR/RC. But if we can increase sacking JUST for the mongols to big amounts, it will really give the horde spirit

Well, we can give a few traits for +Looting to the mongol generals, if they haven't got any already.
Or create special +100/200% looting traits which disappear as time passes by.

[Navajo Joe]

Cedric,
What are the consequences of these changes to K-Shah, Cumans and the Rus, as this change will give the Mongols a greater miltiary advantage and improved economy, these factions will die alot sooner?

[cedric37]

Cedric,
What are the consequences of these changes to K-Shah, Cumans and the Rus, as this change will give the Mongols a greater miltiary advantage and improved economy, these factions will die alot sooner?

Kwarezm is meant to die TBH, so this one if not played by the player should die. The others can still resist as the initial hordes will mainly attack Kwarezm and no script will force them to attack the north. But the odds that they are destroyed by the mongols is great.

In the case of the cumans it is also a normal and historic output.

Well it is still in its "beta" version, but i would like some guys (including me) to try it out and give me feedbacks on their campaogn, either as mongols or playing against them