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    read the news at wikipedia and almost fall of my chair: Angela Merkel is now for 4 years german chancellor!

    I am just wondering wheter there was lot news about the problems of germany finding its chancellor in not-german tv or newspapers. Can anyone tell me what u've heard about her in, e.g., american news?

    God, I think I'm leaving this country... I go back to England...

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    Why don't you like Merkel? And what did you expect after the results in the elections?

    Reading on the BBC and the CNN there was quite a lot of anticipation to see who will head Europe's biggest and sluggiest economy...


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    With the SDP on her back Merkel won't even get the chance to push through some of her new ideas. This grand coalition was a very bad idea imo and could very well cause even more political and economical stagnation in Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoROmeTe the Dacian
    Why don't you like Merkel? And what did you expect after the results in the elections?
    I dont like her
    because she will raise our taxes and in that way kill our little rising of economy
    because she acts so social but will never better the situatiob of the 5 million jobless people
    because she will make me pay up to 6000 € per year to go to university (so i can forget that)
    because she supported Bush on the idea of attacking the Iraq and she would have sent friends of me there

    I expected and feared exactly what happened...

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    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!


    What an utter disaster! Now she will keep the nuclear reactors forever, or build even new ones. All the progress to conform the stale traditionalist german society is going down the drain as it will be swamped by Stoibers "familiy oriented" policies. We will get the Becksteinian police- and surveillance state much earlier now, and in general Germany will return to old status: When Bavaria was everywhere. It's a sad day for freedom. Now the corporate system will enslave us all like in the US!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PacSubCom
    What an utter disaster! Now she will keep the nuclear reactors forever, or build even new ones. All the progress to conform the stale traditionalist german society is going down the drain as it will be swamped by Stoibers "familiy oriented" policies. We will get the Becksteinian police- and surveillance state much earlier now, and in general Germany will return to old status: When Bavaria was everywhere. It's a sad day for freedom. Now the corporate system will enslave us all like in the US!
    Doesn't sound too bad to me. In fact, I even agree with many of her stances when it comes to her social policies.

    It's her economical policies that bother me, and that's why I rooted for Schröder.

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    What's wrong with a legitimate nuclear power plant Pac?

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    Alas, I think Germany needs a Thatcher... Now don't forget that I'm fairly left wing in many areas, but she shook up the economy. Her main achievement, though, was to stem the power of the unions and make Britain realise that 'traditional' industries are unsustainable, given the pressure from the East. She's still reviled by many, but the country is undoubtedly stronger as a result of her policies (though, towards the end, dogma overtook reality...).

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    Nuclear power is the best hope we have for the future (unless fusion technology is developed relativiy soon, which I wouldn't bet on), if nuclear power is produced in a controlled and safe manner, which Germany can afford to do, being a rich country, it should help them replace their dependance on fossil fuel fired plants, which can only be a good thing surely ?

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    Maybe he's a Green...although logic would dictate that Nuclear power is still preferable...who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wicked
    What's wrong with a legitimate nuclear power plant Pac?
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry7
    Nuclear power is the best hope we have for the future (unless fusion technology is developed relativiy soon, which I wouldn't bet on), if nuclear power is produced in a controlled and safe manner, which Germany can afford to do, being a rich country, it should help them replace their dependance on fossil fuel fired plants, which can only be a good thing surely ?
    A good thing surely if we would live in a one-dimensional world, where everything followed straight lines, or rather only one line. Suffice to say that nuclear power is a much dirtier technology than as it's advertised (beside the obvious waste problem, it is not at all "CO2 - clean"), and much, much more expensive. It must remain a temporary solution. Fission used indefinitely is a nightmare. It's economically unviable anyway. The last reactor built in Germany was built 22 years ago. In the US it is 30 years. Dick Cheney himself toured the US for 2 years in order to find an investor for a new plant. No such luck. It will get more expensive, like all other energies. Combined with serious security, safety and environmental concerns, it is no clear cut miracle technology that solves all our problems. Not at all. It's bound to make it all worse. Fancy cyclotron fission (Rubbiatrons) is not even visible at the horizon. Seawater uranium? We don't know yet. Maybe 2025. Based on our current knowledge, it's insanity to build new ones. Efficiency and renewables are better for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which are jobs.

    Hopefully, fusion comes on-line relatively soon in 2050 (which is nuclear power too, but much cleaner and safer in the long run, and has much better potential anyway).

    No I won't debate that, in case you want to do this, I rest my case, so to speak, as I have my hands full with other matters. Nonetheless, it was a pleasure to answer your question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iacobus Treverus Egregius
    Hi,

    read the news at wikipedia and almost fall of my chair: Angela Merkel is now for 4 years german chancellor!

    I am just wondering wheter there was lot news about the problems of germany finding its chancellor in not-german tv or newspapers. Can anyone tell me what u've heard about her in, e.g., american news?

    God, I think I'm leaving this country... I go back to England...
    Alot of the american media view is that she is alot more pro american, she is Germany's answer to Thatcher...as you can imagine its generally positive of her from moderate/conserative elements of media and bleh from left here.

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    Germany's Thatcher? Do they want a major industry closed down, mass unemployment (I think 3 million under Thatcher if not more), privatisation of everything they can? And I was thinking they already had a bad economy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeakus Maximus
    Germany's Thatcher? Do they want a major industry closed down, mass unemployment (I think 3 million under Thatcher if not more), privatisation of everything they can? And I was thinking they already had a bad economy....
    Doesnt Germany already have massive unemployment? I seem to recall it being in the double digits..something like 10 or 12%? I could be wrong, of course.

    EDIT: Yes...there are 5,000,000 or so unemployed in Germany. If she drops that to 3million, thats quite an improvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadBurgerMaker
    Doesnt Germany already have massive unemployment? I seem to recall it being in the double digits..something like 10 or 12%? I could be wrong, of course.

    EDIT: Yes...there are 5,000,000 or so unemployed in Germany. If she drops that to 3million, thats quite an improvement.
    Yes but Thatcher raised it from less than a third of that... so imagine Merkel doinfg a Thatcher... 15m unemployed....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeakus Maximus
    Yes but Thatcher raised it from less than a third of that... so imagine Merkel doinfg a Thatcher... 15m unemployed....
    I certainly dont think she can do much worse than Schroeder, under whos watch unemployment set a post WW 2 record (that was earlier this year, when it was over 5,000,000), and I highly doubt we'll be seeing 50 or 60% unemployment in Germany any time soon.

    Meh...Im sure Germany will be just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hahahaha David Deas
    Thinking about it some more, perhaps losing to the the Jags and the Colts really will come as a complete surprise to you.

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