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    i mean common how long are they going on?
    and for what !!!? ARE THE AMERICANS DOING IT FOR HELPING THE PEOPLE?i dont think so...
    we all know its for oil but ive seen a documentary where alot of americans 'like' the wars

    is it me or do the americans really support it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bloody Nine View Post
    It's just you. Maybe the occasional teenager in Nebraska but other than that no one really likes them.
    Pentagon likes them. they make lots of moneyz for the corporations running your government.


    Technically all wars are wrong, since when have you seen someone actually fight for democracy and freedom? All wars are are imperialistic interests being expressed. Their is never a justification for invading another country, ever. That is morally acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkarin View Post
    Pentagon likes them. they make lots of moneyz for the corporations running your government.


    Technically all wars are wrong, since when have you seen someone actually fight for democracy and freedom? All wars are are imperialistic interests being expressed. Their is never a justification for invading another country, ever. That is morally acceptable.
    Ever?

    Darfur? Nazi Germany? Japan?

    I forget...what imperial ambitions did the US have for getting involved in WW2? we were making plenty of money selling everyone war materials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scheuch13 View Post
    Ever?

    Darfur? Nazi Germany? Japan?

    I forget...what imperial ambitions did the US have for getting involved in WW2? we were making plenty of money selling everyone war materials.
    We didn't go to fight in Darfur, and if the Holocaust was being committed by Hungary, Austria or the Netherlands rather than a strong country like Germany that could actually have threatened our interests I doubt we would have got involved.

    IIRC, the USA got involved in the Second World War because of Pearl Harbour. The USA was supporting the allies against Germany already, which was probably because they didn't want an anti-American superpower running Europe. If a different leader was in charge of America then the isolation policy may have continued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkarin View Post
    Pentagon likes them. they make lots of moneyz for the corporations running your government.


    Technically all wars are wrong, since when have you seen someone actually fight for democracy and freedom? All wars are are imperialistic interests being expressed. Their is never a justification for invading another country, ever. That is morally acceptable.
    Umm what about the invasion of Germany or France in WW2?

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    Wars in Middle East?? Which one?? Independant War of Israel?? Six Days War?? Operation Desert Storm??
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    Wars in Middle East?? Which one?? Independant War of Israel?? Six Days War?? Operation Desert Storm??
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    and for what !!!? ARE THE AMERICANS DOING IT FOR HELPING THE PEOPLE?

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    Well, I sort of think, our attitude toward the wars over in the Middle East, has sort of gone from one extreme to the other as the years went by after September 11th. In the days immediately following, I would say that most Americans firmly supported the decision to start a war on terror-including myself. As time passed, however, I think we began to think, "Just how long is this going to take?".

    However, by this time we had to decide whether or not to invade Iraq. By that time, I was against it-didn't make sense to me why you would declare war AGAIN while the previous war was still undecided. However, once again the people was caught up in "patriotism", and we invaded.

    Now, after being dragged into two guerrilla wars, I think the people, have come to understand that we are in a no win scenario, and that it should come time soon, to get out of there.
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    Most people I know don't really care about them one way or the other.

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    It's sad that after 6 years and the foundation of a democratic state people still try to claim Iraq was/is for the oil, despite all the stupidity and ostriching which is required to do so.

    In regard to the OP, the majority of Americans currently oppose the war in Iraq, which is odd given that the war is mostly over and a withdrawal is in progress. Also interesting that despite that majority on that topic, a majority also favor the planned retention of 30,000 - 50,000 troops in Iraq after the official withdrawal point for ensuring long-term stability and security.

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    Well the claim that the war in Iraq was for oil that we never ended up getting makes way more sense than the claims that we invaded Afghanistan for some other economic goal ranging from oil they don't have to opium that we aren't suffering from a shortage from anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lordoftheT View Post
    Well the claim that the war in Iraq was for oil that we never ended up getting makes way more sense than the claims that we invaded Afghanistan for some other economic goal ranging from oil they don't have to opium that we aren't suffering from a shortage from anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lordoftheT View Post
    Well the claim that the war in Iraq was for oil that we never ended up getting makes way more sense than the claims that we invaded Afghanistan for some other economic goal ranging from oil they don't have to opium that we aren't suffering from a shortage from anyway.


    We didn't invade any one, until after an unprovoked attack on American soil by terrorists. Than we were invited by the leaders to rid there country and countrymen of these terrorists.

    The war in Iraq was cause the ruling body wanted the terrorists removed from their country.

    Afghanistan has been the world's largest producers of opium. In 1996 were estimated at $80 million ... drug trade is one of the largest financial supporters of terrorism in the Middle East.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadiateTruth View Post

    The war in Iraq was cause the ruling body wanted the terrorists removed from their country.

    The ruling body of Iraq? As in the Ba'ath Party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadiateTruth View Post
    We didn't invade any one, until after an unprovoked attack on American soil by terrorists. Than we were invited by the leaders to rid there country and countrymen of these terrorists.

    The war in Iraq was cause the ruling body wanted the terrorists removed from their country.

    Afghanistan has been the world's largest producers of opium. In 1996 were estimated at $80 million ... drug trade is one of the largest financial supporters of terrorism in the Middle East.
    An invasion is still an invasion regardless of the reasons behind it or whether or not it's justified.

    I also do not recall the Ba'ath requesting a US invasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyboy View Post
    i mean common how long are they going on?
    and for what !!!? ARE THE AMERICANS DOING IT FOR HELPING THE PEOPLE?i dont think so...
    we all know its for oil but ive seen a documentary where alot of americans 'like' the wars

    is it me or do the americans really support it?
    I can tell that this a well thought out, reasoned post, formulated by someone thinking outside of the box...

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    It's just you. Maybe the occasional teenager in Nebraska but other than that no one really likes them.
    Are you from Nebraska?

    i mean common how long are they going on?
    and for what !!!? ARE THE AMERICANS DOING IT FOR HELPING THE PEOPLE?i dont think so...
    we all know its for oil but ive seen a documentary where alot of americans 'like' the wars

    is it me or do the americans really support it?
    The Iraq war is and was wrong. The Afghanistan war on the other hand, deserves to be fought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommyboy View Post
    i mean common how long are they going on?
    and for what !!!? ARE THE AMERICANS DOING IT FOR HELPING THE PEOPLE?i dont think so...
    we all know its for oil but ive seen a documentary where alot of americans 'like' the wars

    is it me or do the americans really support it?
    Try to think some for yourself rather than acting like a smartass relying on the BS of conspiracy theorists for a change, because so far the U.S. has not plundered Iraq of its oil.

    American oil imports from Iraq (2003-2008).

    2003: 481.000 bbl/day out of a total of 12.264.000 bbl/day
    2004: 656.000 bbl/day out of a total of 13.145.000 bbl/day
    2005: 531.000 bbl/day out of a total of 13.714.000 bbl/day
    2006: 553.000 bbl/day out of a total of 13.707.000 bbl/day
    2007: 484.000 bbl/day out of a total of 13.468.000 bbl/day
    2008: 627.000 bbl/day out of a total of 12.915.000 bbl/day

    Besides, Saddam's Iraq was already exporting oil to the U.S. since 1997.

    1997: 89.000 bbl/day
    1998: 336.000 bbl/day
    1999: 725.000 bbl/day
    2000: 620.000 bbl/day
    2001: 795.000 bbl/day
    2002: 459.000 bbl/day

    And let's have a look at Iraq's oil reserves.

    2002: 112.500.000.000 bbl
    2009: 115.000.000.000 bbl

    Links: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pe...0_mbblpd_a.htm
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