This password was given, becouse most of polish nobles, and teuton soldiers fought without any kind of ornaments that could help to identify them. Most of them just wear similiar armor without tabards, etc. So on first look if you see this kind of warrior, you just see shining metal, nothing else.
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It should be "Polish field army consisted almost entirely from cavalry"
Fully agree, above i explained this issue
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Heavy spear is not the best description. In fact it was typical knight's lance.
Heavy spear is a good description. In fact in english dictionary's in explanations of word "lance" you could see this what we in poland calling "kopia" but also "lanca". Heavy spear is a term that could be used for lance and "heavy spear" what was a previous step of evolution of this kind of weapon. In unit rooster I precised what I mean in every kind of unit
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Such description lack precision. Some mounted crossbowmen got pretty heavy equipment, heavier then some lance cavalrymen.
In terms of military history it's 100% acurate. This terms in military names are quite different that in common language. Terms "heavy" and "light" are connected with type of combat, not only parts of armor that soldiers wearing. Naked man with axe will be heavy infantry, becouse he fights in mele, archer in full plate armor will be light infantry becouse he suppose to participate in missile combat.
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Now this statement is no true at all. Poland fought for Halych-Volynha long wars in years 1340-1366 and the rival was Lithuania. In this conflict Lithuania was supported by Tatars while Poland got ally in Hungary. Tatars as Tatars - raided Halych-Volynha land from time to time since the appearance in Eastern Europe (circa 1239) till about XVIIIc, but their aim was not to include it to own domain but simply to plounder and take as many slaves as possible.
I can't agree. Tatars were just simply too weak to claim this land again, that's why this wars looks like they looks. And it not mean that they dont want to conquer. Weaknes not mean that you dont have ambitions. And in this statment I writen about reason's to make much more cavalery insted of infantry. That was the point. Insted of thinking how to offend some one try to read first to the end.
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Some of Lithuanian raids on Poland was carried by pretty large militatry contingents!
Some. Once they even sacked Lublin. In many cases they supported polish dukes in civil wars. But most of they raid's was maid with use of small group of warriors. As i said it's not historical rooster.It's for show proposition for look of general military system. Your words just dont deny this what i wrote.
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Infantry was essential to hold defense points like castles for example!
As above, this is game issue
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What about militias, peasants?
As above
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Holy moly! Where did you read that?
I was incorect. I should write that this is my proposition, how it should look to make more % of cavalery to the battlefield
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OMG this theories are crazy! First of all for the town/cities defense was responsible militias (not all the citizens, children and women certainly didn't fight!). Militias were not untrained! Militias was organized unit with decent amory (they got their own arsenals mostly located in wall's towers, some medieval lists of equipment are in our disposal even today) and they trained within so called bractwa kurkowe (a sort of a gild).
Becouse of game issue's this is my proposition to make cavalery most important part of army. Making good trained militia could force AI to mass it. And insted of Poland you will see a Venice. As I said this is a proposition to the game. And in battle of Tannenberg you will see lots of infantry insted of cavalery.
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Oh really? I guess you heaven't heard about the battle of Dąbki yet. Some details then. In 1431y when Polish forces were engaged in Lithuanian civil war, Teutons invaded Polish lands of Dobrin, Kujavia and Krajna. Poles were surprised with that attack, but pretty quickly several knights joined by few hundreds of pesants organised a decent army and rushed to chase Teutonic army that was on their way back to Prussia (after ploundering the area). They met in Dąbki 13 IX 1431y. Polish peasants sang Bogurodzica (Polish medieval anthem) and rushed to attack surprised Teutons. A bloddy masacre happened and only few Teutons managed to escape it. 4 Livonian banners (including the banner of the Great Master!) were captured, two comturs were killed, while the Livonian marshall and another two comturs were taken to slavery.
Only becouse of this battle I decide to make some infantry, and not ONLY cavalery
Any way its 100% true what I said about polish cavalery. This battle wasn't common situation on Polish lands. It was one of this extremal situations im writing above. Becouse of this battle do you realy want to put many pesant infantry unit's to Poland? Look how small this battle was. And.... try to be less rude.
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it should be "in Poland".
Hm, some thing important, or lacking manners?
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I guess you haven't heard about stróża, straża and posada. Yes, in this time period this services were often switched with a proper tax, but in some part of the kingdom they were still a service even in XVc (in Mazovia for example).
Mazsovia...... will gain separate rooster. Feel free to write this. I precisly said that im not writing about Mazova. I gues you haven't heard about manners?
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The comparison with "knight wifes" is not proper. The servants you refer to called czeladź obozowa and in fact they sometimes took part in a battle though in the last resort. Still we can assume that they were somehow prepared for it (which doesn't mean they were trained qualitative unit, but also they weren't such useless as you suggested!).
As there is discution between historians, what was their rule, we simply cant make clear statment. You also cant make suggestions that their role was higher that mine proposition. If in 10 books you have different, unclean statments about them what is your proposition? It's just mine vision vs yours. Solution? Maybe make your own mod, where insted of cavalery we could mass czeladź obozowa.
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I cannot agree. I have already presented few examples to prove you are wrong. I will give you another one too. In so called petities of the Casimir of the Great is a statement, that the lowest nobles should equip a foot crossbowmen from every 20 łan (łan - a unit of area).
I wrote precisly that in law of this time you have alot of infantry. And as I wrote, it stayed on the paper. Reason was simple. In this period nobles starting to keep pesants on the land just for work. They dont wont to send out of work their people. So they just simply broke this law. This was simply unrespectable by nobles.
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They were the most professional soldiers. For example the chronicles says that Polish dismounted knights during the Hungarian-Polish Balkan crusades (1443-1444) distinguished by the great courage and skills why storming Ottoman's castles.
In mine description of " spieszeni rycerze" I used even same word's "storming castles". So what is the point? I gave also description about "Chorągiew Krakowska", and as I said they were profesional soldiers that seeking for war in other countries, and they were well trained in combat against many types of enemy. So? I dont wont to make Poland overpowered. If you could see on map of this mod you should see that we are making game about Baltic area. And we should make this accurate to this area. What was they rule in storming Marienberg in this time? Im just afraid, that if we make too many so god infantry units, that got their role in accidental battles, polish field army, leaded by AI will be just infantry. This is only one reason. Its like on England. The best part of army were archers. Now when im playing in SS as a England,im using mostly heavy cavalery, becouse it's good, and im simply can. It's not accurate. I just simply want to see domination of cavalery in Poland
I hope I proved you are wrong above.
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In 1280-1450y yes, the cavalry dominated in Polish field army.
As you see this is the point
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That is correct.
You no need to waste your time to response on such pointles staitment, that I wrote here accidentaly
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Not exactly. Some Polish cavalrymen of XI-XIIc fought with javelins, but they formed minority (spears were more common).
Im writing about period 1280-1450, and general viev on it
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Not exactly. German chronicles underlined high efficiency of Polish archers. BTW, It should be "Poles and Germans".
I lack of precision here, you are right. My point was to show that there was no big differences about equipment of heavy cavalery. Just in many positions from the west you can find that slav's was so barbaric that they didn't knew even iron.
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It is belivable that in XI, possible also in XIIc - so in period when the peasantry played an important role in Polish army and were very numerous - some of them were equipped as medieval2 woodsmen, though it was not a standard.
It's all about period. I just simply want to show some propositions to years 1280-1450
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This is wrong. Each town got organized militia. Each militia unit was formed by certain miejski cech rzemieślników and was responsible for a certain part of the walls defense. This is obvious knowledge, how can you not know it?
As I said above
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I don't agree with those suggestions. We know from some medieval list of Kraków militia arsenals that they were quite well equiped. They got for example swords, shields, crossbows, spears, pikes!, war flails! and few sorts of body protections (including helmets, mails, plates, płaty). The most popular weapon for militias was crossbow.
As above
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This is not true. The true is that some wójtowie that got properties in cities had to form heavy cavalry, but it was not a militia. Also cities had to provide the king in time of war some supply wagons with the mounted escort but again, this was not a militia.
My bad, I simply transladed this type of draft as a militia
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Interesting. I mean we know that in 1280-1450 there was a time that Poles rulled the eastern Pomerania of Gdańsk and also though offically Mazovia was Polish vassal, in reality Mazovia did not lead independent policy and depended from Poland entirely at least from the rulles of Łokietek (early XIVc). Also all the Silesia was still Polish in 1280y! And also it was Silesian duke Henryk IV Prawy who rulled in Polish capital - Kraków - in 1288-1290y and tried to unite Poland!
In fact I totaly can't agree with you description about Mazovia. Mazovia tryed to have their own politic all the time. Nothing was so simple in this time. In times just before that period, made many civil wars to capture Krakow (with support in many cases from Lithuania and Ruś Halicko-Włodzimierska. After part of Mazovia was even wassal of Czech Kingdom, and they were in oposition to king Łokietek. After ded of Kazimierz Wielki they even got plans to capture polish crown (with support of many nobles of country). After union between Poland and Lithuania they just realise that then need to choice Poland or Teutonic order. They choice Poland, but this not mean that they never got their own politics. Also about Silesia, I wrote previously, how troubles will be to give Silesia to Poland at the begining.
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Why did you miss Red Ruthenia? It was corporated into Poland in years 1340-1366 and strenghten the Polish Kingdom in terms of military heavily. Both Mazovian and Ruthenian forces were pretty different from those of the core-Poland's lands.
This land will gain it separate rooster, as other land like Mazovia and Silesia. You could help with them.
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I can see your knowledge came from probably two books. One of them is Broń i strój rycerstwa Polskiego w średniowieczu by Andrzej Nadolski - a book that was printed over 30 years ago - most of your reference pictures came from it, and another one (though I don't recognize it). Dear whitecrow, with all respect to your good will such knowledge doesn't make you a military historian. Certainly not of Polish middle ages. I myself read over 100 books and many other articles about Polish medieval (half of them dedicated to medieval military) and still would call myself hardly an amathour of Polish medieval history.
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Originally Posted by LDKsoldier
Then we will have a lot of Polish cavalry in battlefields, but in sieges, Poland will have infantry.
