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    And this does not mean that other people can not apply with options to be chosen, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iskar View Post
    I always thought the point was that a Moderator-Curator would know the moderation history and infraction background of referred citizens and would thus make his possible tie break decision based on arguments that he is barred from disclosing.
    Good point, but I think that a Moderator-Curator had been vetted enough already to be trusted to make a fair decision.

    Omni is right about the previous examples. As far as I know, this has not been a problem, which partly explains why there is no regulation about it. Feel free to quote my post giving you the green light if you wish to apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ngugi View Post
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    Not in the least. I chose to withdraw on my own volition for reasons stated; among them being that Lied William had applied and I was starting a new position. Moreover I have dine mt service to the Curua by volunteering when Bo one had. UT us now someone else's turn to sacrifice their time and energy.
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    What does it matter if there is a "green light" from moderation, the conflict isn't with mideration????
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    Instead it is with... what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PikeStance View Post
    Not in the least. I chose to withdraw on my own volition for reasons stated; among them being that Lied William had applied and I was starting a new position. Moreover I have dine mt service to the Curua by volunteering when Bo one had. UT us now someone else's turn to sacrifice their time and energy.
    I am used to seeing "a few" spelling errors in your posts which did not bother me that much. Most of us slip up now and then. Lately though it has gotten to the point that I sometimes am having trouble understanding (part of) what you are posting.

    The part I highlighted in the quote is even painful IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iskar View Post
    As it seems that, contrary to what I believed, moderatorship and curatorship do not conflict, I'm happy to apply for the position.
    I am not sure how being a moderator does not conflict with the role the Curator play in referrals. The Curator should not be privy to anymore information than the Censors. There is no way that you can impartially deliberate without this information being a factor in your decision. This has been shown psychologically and epistemological-ly.

    In a practical sense' how much free time can you have to do both jobs? It seems like a fast track for a burn out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PikeStance View Post
    I am not sure how being a moderator does not conflict with the role the Curator play in referrals. The Curator should not be privy to anymore information than the Censors. There is no way that you can impartially deliberate without this information being a factor in your decision. This has been shown psychologically and epistemological-ly.
    To have access to information does not mean you lose your reasoning ability and your impartiality. Does not turn you into berserker. If you doubt about his capabilities as a member of the triumvirate, of course vote No in the poll
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    Hyperbole post of the day award.
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    Try to ignore the hyperbole and answer the question. His situation as moderator prevent him for, if necessary, formulate a fair decision?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PikeStance View Post
    I am not sure how being a moderator does not conflict with the role the Curator play in referrals. The Curator should not be privy to anymore information than the Censors. There is no way that you can impartially deliberate without this information being a factor in your decision. This has been shown psychologically and epistemological-ly.

    In a practical sense' how much free time can you have to do both jobs? It seems like a fast track for a burn out.
    1) Several people expressed their opinion that one can expect a moderator-curator to judge impartially and actively disregard his moderation knowledge for referral cases. See e.g. Q's and Radzeer's posts above.
    2) -snip- (Veteraan expressed it much mor elegantly.)

    Also, what?
    Quote Originally Posted by PikeStance View Post
    What does it matter if there is a "green light" from moderation, the conflict isn't with mideration????
    Quote Originally Posted by PikeStance View Post
    I am not sure how being a moderator does not conflict with the role the Curator play in referrals. The Curator should not be privy to anymore information than the Censors. There is no way that you can impartially deliberate without this information being a factor in your decision. This has been shown psychologically and epistemological-ly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PikeStance View Post
    I am not sure how being a moderator does not conflict with the role the Curator play in referrals. The Curator should not be privy to anymore information than the Censors. There is no way that you can impartially deliberate without this information being a factor in your decision. This has been shown psychologically and epistemological-ly.
    I agree with Mishkin on this. Apart from the fact that nobody can be truly impartial in the first place, it has little to do with the amount of info a person has about a case.

    In a practical sense' how much free time can you have to do both jobs? It seems like a fast track for a burn out.
    We don't know how much free time other people have and it is none of our business IMO.

    As for doing both jobs, we have already seen that it will probably not be problematic as a certain assistant seems to have done most of the curatorial job in the previous administration, while being a moderator at the same time. Who was that fellow again?

    Edit: Massively by the guy himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mishkin View Post
    Try to ignore the hyperbole and answer the question. His situation as moderator prevent him for, if necessary, formulate a fair decision?
    Quote Originally Posted by Iskar View Post
    1) Several people expressed their opinion that one can expect a moderator-curator to judge impartially and actively disregard his moderation knowledge for referral cases. See e.g. Q's and Radzeer's posts above.
    First, my comments were a general response which has nothing to do with any specific person in mind. Iskar was quoted as a basis of my comments only. The fact that it involved his application is pure happenstance.

    As you know I have served as a moderator (AOL) and as a sports official for over 15+ years. As a referee there have been many cases, when a referee would inform a referee to "watch out for #4..." Sure enough #4 would almost always be cautioned. These referees all have experiences greater than myself. There are some of most honest persons I have ever had the pleasure of working with. Moreover, I had the same treatment and I found myself cautioning "#4." I did some research and found that this was a natural occurrence. Later, I would interrupt the "helpful referee." Guess what? Good ole "#4" wasn't cautioned. There is also an instant familiarity as well. There was one particular school who's principal was a referee. He respected me a great deal. I ended up doing a lot of his teams games. I ended it when I felt that I could no longer trust my judgement. In a nutshell, even the most conscientious person can lose site of objectivity. Am I judging harshly because I know too much, or am I over compensating. In this case, once you have the knowledge you cannot undo the knowledge. Moreover, your brain will work over time to convince you that you are being objective. No one is immune to this.


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    I agree with Mishkin on this. Apart from the fact that nobody can be truly impartial in the first place, it has little to do with the amount of info a person has about a case.
    Does it? I am ot so certain based on the discussion related to "good citizenship."

    Quote Originally Posted by Veteraan View Post
    We don't know how much free time other people have and it is none of our business IMO.

    As for doing both jobs, we have already seen that it will probably not be problematic as a certain assistant seems to have done most of the curatorial job in the previous administration, while being a moderator at the same time. Who was that fellow again?

    Edit: Massively by the guy himself.
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    A question for everybody who is not either serving as site moderator or HEX, why are you not running in this election?

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    Because I'm a tribune
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikanár View Post
    A question for everybody who is not either serving as site moderator or HEX, why are you not running in this election?
    as for me, it's a mix of lack of time and little skills with bureaucratic stuff; probably the Magistrate position does not require, in general, much time, but for me it would still be quite demanding as it seems I need more time than the normal to dig into such stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikanár View Post
    A question for everybody who is not either serving as site moderator or HEX, why are you not running in this election?
    My term as Censor expires Feb. 16 2016. When I had applied for Censor I committed to serving my full term. (Unstated). On principle, I do not believe in "switching" from one position to another because a perceived hierarchy.
    Essentially, I have no great desire to acquire any position on TWC, I do so out of necessity or need, unless I find it interesting. (e.g. Librarian and Vault). I have enough responsibility in real life. I much rather see a young man (20s) choose to participate in these positions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikanár View Post
    A question for everybody who is not either serving as site moderator or HEX, why are you not running in this election?
    Really tired lately.
    By the way, I do not think anyone have to justify not wanting to participate actively in this place.
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    In case anyone has been wondering, I could not find any provisions in the Constitution preventing Tribunes from running for the Censor position. Neither did any conflict of interest occur to me in that regard, as the two positions judge users in a quite different scope. Responsibly handling the information they are privy to in their respective positions can, I think, be expected from Tribunes, who are reliable members specifically chosen by Hex for their fair and impartial judgement.
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