Armenia - Secrets Of A "Christian" Terrorist State

[Atabeg]

By Samuel A.Weems

http://armenians-1915.blogspot.com/2...christian.html

You can read all the chapters on that link. Its too long to post it here, even one chapter.

Very detailed and I would recommend everyone to read to see the truth.

[PointOfViewGun]

If you want to post such things please do it in the "Armenian Genocide" thread in the VV.

[Armenum]

Atabeg, stop posting such propaganda garbage. The author was good friends with the Turkish government and actually was married to a Turk. His book makes ridiculous claims and has not merit to even be considered a book. Why not post the books of all nutheads throughout history??

[PointOfViewGun]

Atabeg, stop posting such propaganda garbage. The author was good friends with the Turkish government and actually was married to a Turk. His book makes ridiculous claims and has not merit to even be considered a book. Why not post the books of all nutheads throughout history??

Lord Mov you're not the one to criticize anything on this issue as you have shown how you can turn a blind eye to facts when they're presented to you.

[Armenum]

Lord Mov you're not the one to criticize anything on this issue as you have shown how you can turn a blind eye to facts when they're presented to you.

To this day you haven't given me any facts, you've just given me Turkish State propaganda.

And if you are calling this ridiculous book a fact, then there is something really wrong with your thinking...

[PointOfViewGun]

To this day you haven't given me any facts, you've just given me Turkish State propaganda.

I have given you tons of facts. It's of course easier to say that they're Turkish propaganda as you have no argument against them. Your accusations are disgusting lies as most of those sources don't even have a tie with the Turkish government. You asked me a scholarly article by a non-Turkish historian in that last thread and I've provided it to you. You, of course, ignored it as you lack the knowledge to comment on it without making blatantly stupid arguments. It's such a shame to see that such discussions are diluted by people like you.

Samuel Weems was disbarred as a lawyer for mixing his clients money with his own. A year later he was convicted of arson and conspiring to defraud an insurance firm. In 1977 a jury found Weems guilty of conspiring to commit arson and ordered him to pay $30,000 to an insurance company.

So you make an argument against the mans life. Would you also make the same argument for Vahakn Dadrian who was dismissed from his university due to multiple sexual harassment cases. So if that's the way you criticize a man's work then you also need to discredit Dadrian, one of the leading historians who claim that "genocide" happened.

[removeduser_052420]

Wasn't there an Armenian president or general or something who said that "A good Turk is a dead Turk"? Or something along those lines.

[Gromovnik]

Wasn't there an Armenian president or general or something who said that "A good Turk is a dead Turk"? Or something along those lines.

Source?

[Wolfgang von Zweibrücken]

Wasn't there an Armenian president or general or something who said that "A good Turk is a dead Turk"? Or something along those lines.

If I had a nickel for every time someone said "The only good Turk is a dead Turk" over the course of the past 500 years, I'd be a billionaire.

[gago]

Samuel Weems was disbarred as a lawyer for mixing his clients money with his own. A year later he was convicted of arson and conspiring to defraud an insurance firm. In 1977 a jury found Weems guilty of conspiring to commit arson and ordered him to pay $30,000 to an insurance company.

Very credible author in my opinion whose state didnt even believe his BS when they accepted the Armenian genocide.

That phrase could be said by anyone, Turks even say Cypriots said that slogan:

On the same day that I read the story of this “blood drinking” major, I also learnt that the Defense Ministry of Cyprus (Greek Cyprus) launched disciplinary action against training officers at the Larnaca and Paphos boot camps for forcing new conscripts to chant an “unacceptable slogan.” The slogan was, “A good Turk is a dead Turk.” This pathological mentality was exactly the same as the one which triggered the military intervention in 1974 and it is also the most loyal ally of the Ergenekon gang in Turkey.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/ya...haberno=183216
Azeris claim Monte Melkonian said that but they lack one important thing, evidence.

[Zadig]

We should settle this once and for all, maybe, each side choses a person to represent them and take it to the Fight Club, on the condition of course that the participants are not from either party (Armenia, Azerbaidjan or Turkey), then maybe we could get a definitive conclusion to the whole mess that takes up so much space.

[PointOfViewGun]

We should settle this once and for all, maybe, each side choses a person to represent them and take it to the Fight Club, on the condition of course that the participants are not from either party (Armenia, Azerbaidjan or Turkey), then maybe we could get a definitive conclusion to the whole mess that takes up so much space.

There's already a thread opened by Noble Lord but both him and Lord Mov stopped posting after 2 posts when their points were countered decisively.

The Turks are Very upset that the world Knows what It and Germany did to Armeina. And what makes them even More upset is the fact that the world won't forget about it and just let it go....Yet the funny thing is that The Armeians are just ONE group of christians the turks have murderd, then we have the Assyrian and Chaldean Massares. The List go's on.

We're accept because we're being made victims out of war propaganda.

Turks just can't stop spitting out their state propaganda at everyone. This book is basically a hysterical rant by a very disturbed and angry person. The author was basically bought by the Turkish government and he was also married to a Turk. No one takes this guy seriously except of course Atabeg..

I guess it's much better than you failing to even refute studies that you label as propaganda. Simply sad.

[Koelkastmagneet]

Wow, an article from a site solely designed to vilify Armenians, your 'sources' just keep getting better Atabeg.

I read the preface and that alone was enough for me to see that Weems disregards Turkish massacres, ignores countless sources and somehow seems to think that Armenians are all genocidal baby eaters....

Sounds like someone you'd get on well with, Atabeg.

Let's look at this, for example.

Modern-day Turkey is an ancient land. There is evidence that people lived here more than 400,000 years ago. Twenty-nine great civilizations have come and gone in this land the Christian Bible calls Asia Minor. The tiny kingdom of Armenia existed for only a brief moment in its history and then disappeared. It cannot be classed as one of the great civilizations that once was a part of modern-day Turkey. Consider who has a better right to Asia Minor than does Armenia.

He immediately dismisses any Armenian civilizations of the past and claims that Armenia only existed for a brief moment which is a blatant lie.

Throughout his four-volume history, Professor Hovannissian uses "Constantinople" rather than the modern-day proper city name of Istanbul. The name Constantinople was changed to Istanbul in 1453 – thirty-nine years before Columbus discovered the Americas. If Hovannissian doesn’t know this most basic piece of historical information, then how can he be trusted as a history professor?

Simply wrong, nothing more to say.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Oh look, another Turk trying to make an excuse for the Armenian Genocide.

[Kurry]

I am a turk, I accept the genocide but that doesnt make me a bad person? Or a different person? I dont understand all this about accepting it or denying it? Its like: HAH! Im right you are wrong childish game. But then again I hate the Armenians. Why? because even if the Turks massacred them the Armenians werent sweeties either they did some bad things too. And they use this genocide nowadays to prevent Turkey from entering EU? WTF!?!?! we didnt do it the people of turkey in these days didnt do it and yet it works out negatively for us Turkish people because in WO1 some dude ordered the massacre of the Armenians.

Oh look, another Turk trying to make an excuse for the Armenian Genocide.

We(Turks) dont need to make an excuse for the genocide at all. Why? simple. Because we didnt do it. Our grand grand fathers did and this does not mean we are the ones to be blamed. We dont need to make an excuse. Please dont say that again because with it you want to say that we(the current living turks) are the ones who did it. Also there happened far worse things like the Stalinism and Nazi-germany why are those icidents not so thoroughly discussed here? I sense some hatred against Turks here.....

[Sir Winston Churchill]

We(Turks) dont need to make an excuse for the genocide at all. Why? simple. Because we didnt do it. Our grand grand fathers did and this does not mean we are the ones to be blamed. We dont need to make an excuse. Please dont say that again because with it you want to say that we(the current living turks) are the ones who did it. Also there happened far worse things like the Stalinism and Nazi-germany why are those icidents not so thoroughly discussed here? I sense some hatred against Turks here.....

Oh no, I'm not putting people like you in the lot. You're one of the few who understands what happened but you don't try to defend it, and in fact just say it wasn't your generation that did it and so you don't care. I like that type.

No I'm talking about the people who try and say their grandfathers didn't do such a thing, that it was a big hoax, etc. etc.

Now on the topic as to why things like the Holocaust aren't discussed fully here, is probably because the world has accepted that the Holocaust happened, people have been punished for the Holocaust, and barely anyone but lunatics try and say it didn't happen. Not to mention the country it happened in, Germany, fully recognized and apologized for what happened, while Turkey to this day officially denies it happened. Where do you see a thread about a guy who wrote a book saying the Holocaust wasn't real? Right, you don't, and thus not discussed. While here we have a sir who's advertising a book that denounces the Armenian Genocide.

But aside, no you and Turks like you are alright and I respect you.

[Kurry]

Fair enough I can life with that answer. And you probably are right on the matter of why this is discussed and other incidents not. And still I also would like to deny it because it hurts to know that your(my) people did something like this., As it are still my forefathers who did this and that shames me. Sure it could be possible that my grand grand family was one of the few ones who didnt parcipate in this mess but I cant be sure of that.

[PointOfViewGun]

Now on the topic as to why things like the Holocaust aren't discussed fully here, is probably because the world has accepted that the Holocaust happened, people have been punished for the Holocaust, and barely anyone but lunatics try and say it didn't happen. Not to mention the country it happened in, Germany, fully recognized and apologized for what happened, while Turkey to this day officially denies it happened. Where do you see a thread about a guy who wrote a book saying the Holocaust wasn't real? Right, you don't, and thus not discussed. While here we have a sir who's advertising a book that denounces the Armenian Genocide.

The reason "Armenian Genocide" is still discussed is probably because of the lack of proof. When compared to the Holocaust it's a completely different case. The overwhelming amount of documents from Nazi government alone is enough to prove it. Thus there are only few people who argue against it. While on the other hand there are many scholars who dispute against "Armenian Genocide" allegations. Though I must agree that Samuel Weems can't really be considered among those scholars.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

The reason "Armenian Genocide" is still discussed is probably because of the lack of proof. When compared to the Holocaust it's a completely different case. The overwhelming amount of documents from Nazi government alone is enough to prove it. Thus there are only few people who argue against it. While on the other hand there are many scholars who dispute against "Armenian Genocide" allegations. Though I must agree that Samuel Weems can't really be considered among those scholars.

How about the various places where you can still dig an inch and find human bones? That many people who died in that one place unorganized just didn't up and die in a pile. Plus it's ironic that the Ottoman's lack of organization and management has saved them damning evidence.

As if the thousands of horror stories aren't enough.

[Yosemite]

Oh look, another Turk trying to make an excuse for the Armenian Genocide.

i did not try to make an excuse for the armenian "genocide"

now look

Turkish State propaganda

why would the turk version be pure propaganda, while the armenian be the pure pristine holy truth?