=>Suggestions to formal debate and definement of rules

[Fenris]

Having two teams in debates on such subjects will lead nowhere. Unless it's two "schools of thought" that have relative opinions, but in a different way. These artificial debates, will not work since most of the topics are too general (communism vs capitalism as an example). Unless you get a team of pro-capitalists and a team of pro-communists, which will lack the "in-between" opinions and will be a war of value more than anything else, rather than a debate using rational arguments.

[Saint-Germain]

Let's just see how it pans out...

[Lord Rahl]

I suggest creating a sub forum for this formal debate. Someone ask. We don't need to discuss about a debate in a forum about politics.

[Atheist Peace]

I'll see what I can do about a sub-forum.

[Farnan]

The goal is not to neccessarily convert your opponents, but to make them see your point of view, as well as showing others the pros and cons of each. Each debate will be voted on, to see who the winner is, so if a side uses rational arguments, they will have a better chance than a team who doesn't.

[PacSubCom]

so if a side uses rational arguments, they will have a better chance than a team who doesn't.

No one will be influenced by his prior opinion, of course. Everyone will make up his mind afresh right here and then. Yeah ...

[Farnan]

I know, I know, but wishful thinking isn't a crime, yet....

[Fenris]

One other thing. You have 2 teams, Liberals and conservatives. Which are right wing, and even more right wing.

No left.

[Atheist Peace]

The liberal team is the left wing team.

[Belisarius]

Sub forum! For debate? Thats what this is for.. i.e this subforum. No more subforums to further complicate our site please.

[Kscott]

Gah, I cant join the debate . On one debate I might be for one side and on another, I would be on another side. I guess Ill just be an independent. Its a shame I cant be in the debate though.

One other thing. You have 2 teams, Liberals and conservatives. Which are right wing, and even more right wing.

No left.

emm... Its not democrats and Republicans. Its LIBERALS and CONSERVATIVES.

Aka, Left and right..

edit-Oops double post..

[Fenris]

The liberal team is the left wing team.

Liberalism is NOT left wing, sorry.

[Kscott]

Liberalism is NOT left wing, sorry.

Liberalism - Liberalism is a political and economic philosophy that emphasizes freedom, equality, and opportunity. The philosophy called conservatism, on the other hand, stresses order, tradition, and ownership of private property. Liberals have generally favored more rapid social change than conservatives have favored. But liberalism is a confusing term, because its meaning and emphasis have changed considerably over the years. The right to rebel against ...

noun) : a person who is liberal: as; a : one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways; b : a member or supporter of a liberal political party; c : an advocate or adherent of liberalism especially in individual rights


a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education> b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2 a : marked by generosity : OPENHANDED <a liberal giver> b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal> c : AMPLE, FULL
3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : LICENTIOUS
4 : not literal or strict : LOOSE <a liberal translation>
5 : BROAD-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms



Sorry, but Liberal by definition is the opossite of Conservative. Meaning on the LEFT....

[Belisarius]

We are debating how and what to debate. Dont you just love it.


*Anagennese Irony Smilie* :laughing:

ROFL to Rahls smilie!

[Werewolf]

*Anagennese Irony Smilie* :laughing:

i don't really get it but it's COOL

[Fenris]

Liberalism - Liberalism is a political and economic philosophy that emphasizes freedom, equality, and opportunity. The philosophy called conservatism, on the other hand, stresses order, tradition, and ownership of private property. Liberals have generally favored more rapid social change than conservatives have favored. But liberalism is a confusing term, because its meaning and emphasis have changed considerably over the years. The right to rebel against ...

noun) : a person who is liberal: as; a : one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways; b : a member or supporter of a liberal political party; c : an advocate or adherent of liberalism especially in individual rights


a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education> b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2 a : marked by generosity : OPENHANDED <a liberal giver> b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal> c : AMPLE, FULL
3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : LICENTIOUS
4 : not literal or strict : LOOSE <a liberal translation>
5 : BROAD-minded; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms



Sorry, but Liberal by definition is the opossite of Conservative. Meaning on the LEFT....

Originally, yes, liberalism was a left left ideology. But then people realised that it is more of a right wing view. Left wing would be interventionism, socialism and ultimately communism.

[Belisarius]

How about forget left and right, divide it into pro and anti the subject.

Example Pro Abortion or Anti Abortion.

[Werewolf]

will some one please explain what the hell is going on i'm geting very
tired of these dam fire fight style debates their really gay because no one side will ever win what the hell are we talking about anyway i lost track because
every one is trying to prove a piont in a argumentive way.

[Atheist Peace]

Liberalism is NOT left wing, sorry.

What I meant was that in the context of this debate at least, the left wing side will be represented by the "liberal team."

[Kanaric]

I said this in another board. I'm tired of these god damn "crossfire" style debates. They serve nothing and no team will convince anyone of anything, its literally impossible.

Also where is the Moderate team? They seem to be missing? Most people aren't extremists you know....