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    Inspired by this thread by Clearchus Of Sparta

    A place to post interesting facts, anecdotes, folktales and legends of the greek world. Facts and stories(not necessarily true) which are no longer taught in school but which older generations learned and inspired their imagination and can be seen in many works of art and music.

    Anybody can post. I will start. Sometimes the english is weak due to me translating from books of my native language.

    The righteous Aristedes

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    Athenian politician of oligarchic inclination. According to some sources he was so righteous that he never paid a debt unless he was absolutely certain that the creditor would make good use of the money.


    Abderites

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    From the city of Abdera. Herakles, according to legend, had a friend and helper named Abderos, and he followed Herakles to Thracia where he was eaten by the maneating horses of King Diomedes.
    Herakles mourned him much and founded the city Abdera to his honour.

    The air in Abdera, which lay on the north coast of the Aegean sea was said to have a negative effect on the abderites judgment and ability to reason and they therefore become more stupid then other men.
    Once after a great performance by an actor they were infested with a disease named "abderitian pathos".
    It manifested itself in that they went about, screaming and gesticulating at each other all day, and the great doctor Hippokrates, who lived in the city was forced to devote all his time to attempt to try to remedy this.

    Abderiterna were appreciative of other art forms as well, for example,
    they could never build their monuments big enough. At the Agora they thus raised a magnificent fountain, which represented Poseidon surrounded by a variety of nereids, tritons, dolphins and other sea creatures that would spray water in all directions, but unfortunately it turned out that the figures were too many for the water to suffice and there was only a little dripping from their nostrils. When the fountain played at full force it looked as if the sea god and all his court was faced with a runny nose.


    The Unpatriotic Donkey

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    A fable of Aisopos, an ex-slave, who probably lived in the early 6th century B.C
    Fables were a literary genre simple enough to appeal to those who lacked the literary education needed for understanding a large part of greek literature, and even those with no education could grasp them immediately.

    It is found in a collection of fables of Phaedrus, a slave and freedman of the Emperor Augustus.

    Phaedrus introduces it with the words:
    "A change in the person who controls the State(in principatu commutando) brings to the poor no change in their situation but a change of master(nil praeter dominum).
    The fable is about a timid old man, pasturing a donkey in a meadow, when suddenly a hostile army approaches. The old man begs the donkey to flee with him, to avoid capture. But the donkey merely enquires if the enemy will make him carry two packs at once; and when his owner says he does not suppose they will, refuses to move.
    "What does it matter to me whose servant I am", he asks, " so long as I carry only one pack at a time?"


    Legend of Kreusa

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    Daughter of King Erechteus of Athens. She fell in love with Apollo who responded accordingly. The fruit of the love was a boy named Ion, which Kreuse put in a coffin and tossed in the sea, but Apollo arranged so that the child survived and was cared for by the pythia of Delphi(the oracle).
    Kreusa then married a King of Peloponessos named Xuthos, but their marriage were childless and the couple went to the Oracle in Delphi to enquire if there was any cure for it.
    The Oracle implied that Xuthos already had a son, it was the first one he would meet when he went out of the temple. The one he met was Ion and Xuthos searched his memory, and remembered that he once had some fun with a nymph in this district and took it for granted that Ion was the fruit of that relationship. He embraced him tenderly and encouraged him in every way, but Kreusa didn´t like it, for she couldn´t know that Ion was in fact her own son.

    Jealous and bitter, she tried to poison the boy, but Apollo, who saw and heard everything in the right moment sent a dove to taste the contents of the beaker and dropped down dead, and Ion who became angry with the attempted assassination could not refrain from seeking revenge on Kreusa. She then fled to the temple of Apollo, and Ion were on the point to shoot her there when a priestess came between them and told them the nature of their relationship. Xuthos, which apparently was a more generous nature than Kreusa, did not push Ion away but still cared for him as his son having learned the truth about their relationship.


    The gods rewarded him for this generosity by giving him two own sons with Kreusa, named Achaios and Doros. These three brothers were in due course, ancestors to each of the three Greek tribes: Ionians, Achaeans and Dorians.


    Chilon

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    One of the seven wise men of Greece, spartan philosopher and author of the delphic incription "Gnóthi seautón"(know thy self). Unfortunately he doesn´t seem to have obeyed his command himself since he died of joy when his son won a victory at Olympia.
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    Very interesting the Legend of Kreusa...never heard it before.

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    Prometheus

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    A titan in antique mythology, belonging to and older race of gods which Zeus and his brothers had expelled. Prometheus descended to the newly created earth swarmed by plants and animals, he shaped some clay and formed the first man and embedded in his brest the characteristics of different animals.

    Zeus's daughter Pallas Athene who watched with admiration his dealings came to his aide with a bowl of nectar from Olympus and breathed divine spirit in his works, which then was produced in another, slightly different version.


    Thus arose the human family, which then rapidly multiplied and filled the earth. The people lived, however, still an aimless life, could not cut timber, make bricks and build houses, tamed no animals, knew nothing about carts and boats, writing and arithmetics. Prometheus taught them patiently all this and much more, and the new gods with Zeus on the top, watched with interest down upon them from the sky.


    Zeus, however, demanded that the newly created creatures would pay him divine worship, and one thing that could possibly make them too godlike he did not want to give them: the fire.

    Prometheus defied, however, this his decision, made himself a torch of dried plant stalks, lit it in the sun and carried it down to the people.

    Zeus was angry when he soon saw their fires gleam down there. Taking back the fire was not in his power to do, but produce a counterbalance, he could, and at that end he did produce Pandora and her box. He then turned directly to punish Prometheus, who on his command were cast in iron and chained to the cliff over an abyss in the Caucasus. An eagle was sent to sit on his knees and chop incessantly in his liver, and the prisoner who is an immortal, suffered in unspeakable agony, but he never regretted what he had done. After thirty thousand years, however, Heracles accidentally came by, shot the eagle with an arrow and liberated Prometheus.


    Pandora

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    a mirage of a beautiful girl that Hephaestus made for Zeus from clay and breathed life into. Zeus sent her down to earth so that she could destroy the Titan Prometheus and his entire family. Pandora had a box with her and was instructed to give this as a wedding gift to her future husband.

    She first trid to seduce Prometheus himself, but he had his suspicions, and took no notice of the beautiful girl. She then went to his younger brother Epimetheus, who was not as wise, but married Pandora and recieved the box which he unwittingly opened. Out flew all the plagues and pestilences that have since plagued mankind. Epimetheus quickly put the lid on, but all he managed to contain and keep in Pandora's box was the deity the Greeks called Elpis, Hope
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    Aiskylos

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    Greek tragedian. Little is known about the fortunes of the man himself. It is told that he died at eighty years of age when an eagle dropped a turtle on his bald head. On his gravestone nothing was mentioned about his now famous poetry. It stated that he had fought in the Battle of Marathon.


    Funeral Oration Of Perikles

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    Perikles was an athenian politician during the peloponnesian war. The speech was deliverd as part of the annual public funeral for the war dead. The text is Thucydides version of Perikles speech

    Thucydides

    In the same winter the Athenians gave a funeral at the public cost to those who had first fallen in this war. It was a custom of their ancestors, and the manner of it is as follows.

    Three days before the ceremony, the bones of the dead are laid out in a tent which has been erected; and their friends bring to their relatives such offerings as they please. In the funeral procession cypress coffins are borne in cars, one for each tribe; the bones of the deceased being placed in the coffin of their tribe. Among these is carried one empty bier decked for the missing, that is, for those whose bodies could not be recovered. Any citizen or stranger who pleases, joins in the procession: and the female relatives are there to wail at the burial.

    The dead are laid in the public sepulchre in the beautiful suburb of the city, in which those who fall in war are always buried; with the exception of those slain at Marathon, who for their singular and extraordinary valour were interred on the spot where they fell. After the bodies have been laid in the earth, a man chosen by the state, of approved wisdom and eminent reputation, pronounces over them an appropriate panegyric; after which all retire.

    Such is the manner of the burying; and throughout the whole of the war, whenever the occasion arose, the established custom was observed. Meanwhile these were the first that had fallen, and Pericles, son of Xanthippus, was chosen to pronounce their eulogium. When the proper time arrived, he advanced from the sepulchre to an elevated platform in order to be heard by as many of the crowd as possible, and spoke as follows:

    Perikles

    "Most of my predecessors in this place have commended him who made this speech part of the law, telling us that it is well that it should be delivered at the burial of those who fall in battle. For myself, I should have thought that the worth which had displayed itself in deeds would be sufficiently rewarded by honours also shown by deeds; such as you now see in this funeral prepared at the people's cost.

    And I could have wished that the reputations of many brave men were not to be imperilled in the mouth of a single individual, to stand or fall according as he spoke well or ill. For it is hard to speak properly upon a subject where it is even difficult to convince your hearers that you are speaking the truth. On the one hand, the friend who is familiar with every fact of the story may think that some point has not been set forth with that fullness which he wishes and knows it to deserve; on the other, he who is a stranger to the matter may be led by envy to suspect exaggeration if he hears anything above his own nature.

    For men can endure to hear others praised only so long as they can severally persuade themselves of their own ability to equal the actions recounted: when this point is passed, envy comes in and with it incredulity. However, since our ancestors have stamped this custom with their approval, it becomes my duty to obey the law and to try to satisfy your several wishes and opinions as best I may.

    "I shall begin with our ancestors: it is both just and proper that they should have the honour of the first mention on an occasion like the present. They dwelt in the country without break in the succession from generation to generation, and handed it down free to the present time by their valour. And if our more remote ancestors deserve praise, much more do our own fathers, who added to their inheritance the empire which we now possess, and spared no pains to be able to leave their acquisitions to us of the present generation.

    Lastly, there are few parts of our dominions that have not been augmented by those of us here, who are still more or less in the vigour of life; while the mother country has been furnished by us with everything that can enable her to depend on her own resources whether for war or for peace. That part of our history which tells of the military achievements which gave us our several possessions, or of the ready valour with which either we or our fathers stemmed the tide of Hellenic or foreign aggression, is a theme too familiar to my hearers for me to dilate on, and I shall therefore pass it by.

    But what was the road by which we reached our position, what the form of government under which our greatness grew, what the national habits out of which it sprang; these are questions which I may try to solve before I proceed to my panegyric upon these men; since I think this to be a subject upon which on the present occasion a speaker may properly dwell, and to which the whole assemblage, whether citizens or foreigners, may listen with advantage.

    "Our constitution does not copy the laws of neighbouring states; we are rather a pattern to others than imitators ourselves. Its administration favours the many instead of the few; this is why it is called a democracy. If we look to the laws, they afford equal justice to all in their private differences; if no social standing, advancement in public life falls to reputation for capacity, class considerations not being allowed to interfere with merit; nor again does poverty bar the way, if a man is able to serve the state, he is not hindered by the obscurity of his condition.

    The freedom which we enjoy in our government extends also to our ordinary life. There, far from exercising a jealous surveillance over each other, we do not feel called upon to be angry with our neighbour for doing what he likes, or even to indulge in those injurious looks which cannot fail to be offensive, although they inflict no positive penalty. But all this ease in our private relations does not make us lawless as citizens. Against this fear is our chief safeguard, teaching us to obey the magistrates and the laws, particularly such as regard the protection of the injured, whether they are actually on the statute book, or belong to that code which, although unwritten, yet cannot be broken without acknowledged disgrace.

    "Further, we provide plenty of means for the mind to refresh itself from business. We celebrate games and sacrifices all the year round, and the elegance of our private establishments forms a daily source of pleasure and helps to banish the spleen; while the magnitude of our city draws the produce of the world into our harbour, so that to the Athenian the fruits of other countries are as familiar a luxury as those of his own.

    "If we turn to our military policy, there also we differ from our antagonists. We throw open our city to the world, and never by alien acts exclude foreigners from any opportunity of learning or observing, although the eyes of an enemy may occasionally profit by our liberality; trusting less in system and policy than to the native spirit of our citizens; while in education, where our rivals from their very cradles by a painful discipline seek after manliness, at Athens we live exactly as we please, and yet are just as ready to encounter every legitimate danger.

    In proof of this it may be noticed that the Lacedaemonians do not invade our country alone, but bring with them all their confederates; while we Athenians advance unsupported into the territory of a neighbour, and fighting upon a foreign soil usually vanquish with ease men who are defending their homes. Our united force was never yet encountered by any enemy, because we have at once to attend to our marine and to dispatch our citizens by land upon a hundred different services; so that, wherever they engage with some such fraction of our strength, a success against a detachment is magnified into a victory over the nation, and a defeat into a reverse suffered at the hands of our entire people. And yet if with habits not of labour but of ease, and courage not of art but of nature, we are still willing to encounter danger, we have the double advantage of escaping the experience of hardships in anticipation and of facing them in the hour of need as fearlessly as those who are never free from them.

    "Nor are these the only points in which our city is worthy of admiration. We cultivate refinement without extravagance and knowledge without effeminacy; wealth we employ more for use than for show, and place the real disgrace of poverty not in owning to the fact but in declining the struggle against it.

    Our public men have, besides politics, their private affairs to attend to, and our ordinary citizens, though occupied with the pursuits of industry, are still fair judges of public matters; for, unlike any other nation, regarding him who takes no part in these duties not as unambitious but as useless, we Athenians are able to judge at all events if we cannot originate, and, instead of looking on discussion as a stumbling-block in the way of action, we think it an indispensable preliminary to any wise action at all.

    Again, in our enterprises we present the singular spectacle of daring and deliberation, each carried to its highest point, and both united in the same persons; although usually decision is the fruit of ignorance, hesitation of reflection. But the palm of courage will surely be adjudged most justly to those, who best know the difference between hardship and pleasure and yet are never tempted to shrink from danger.

    In generosity we are equally singular, acquiring our friends by conferring, not by receiving, favours. Yet, of course, the doer of the favour is the firmer friend of the two, in order by continued kindness to keep the recipient in his debt; while the debtor feels less keenly from the very consciousness that the return he makes will be a payment, not a free gift. And it is only the Athenians, who, fearless of consequences, confer their benefits not from calculations of expediency, but in the confidence of liberality.

    "In short, I say that as a city we are the school of Hellas, while I doubt if the world can produce a man who, where he has only himself to depend upon, is equal to so many emergencies, and graced by so happy a versatility, as the Athenian. And that this is no mere boast thrown out for the occasion, but plain matter of fact, the power of the state acquired by these habits proves.

    For Athens alone of her contemporaries is found when tested to be greater than her reputation, and alone gives no occasion to her assailants to blush at the antagonist by whom they have been worsted, or to her subjects to question her title by merit to rule. Rather, the admiration of the present and succeeding ages will be ours, since we have not left our power without witness, but have shown it by mighty proofs; and far from needing a Homer for our panegyrist, or other of his craft whose verses might charm for the moment only for the impression which they gave to melt at the touch of fact, we have forced every sea and land to be the highway of our daring, and everywhere, whether for evil or for good, have left imperishable monuments behind us.

    Such is the Athens for which these men, in the assertion of their resolve not to lose her, nobly fought and died; and well may every one of their survivors be ready to suffer in her cause.

    "Indeed if I have dwelt at some length upon the character of our country, it has been to show that our stake in the struggle is not the same as theirs who have no such blessings to lose, and also that the panegyric of the men over whom I am now speaking might be by definite proofs established.

    That panegyric is now in a great measure complete; for the Athens that I have celebrated is only what the heroism of these and their like have made her, men whose fame, unlike that of most Hellenes, will be found to be only commensurate with their deserts. And if a test of worth be wanted, it is to be found in their closing scene, and this not only in cases in which it set the final seal upon their merit, but also in those in which it gave the first intimation of their having any.

    For there is justice in the claim that steadfastness in his country's battles should be as a cloak to cover a man's other imperfections; since the good action has blotted out the bad, and his merit as a citizen more than outweighed his demerits as an individual. But none of these allowed either wealth with its prospect of future enjoyment to unnerve his spirit, or poverty with its hope of a day of freedom and riches to tempt him to shrink from danger.

    No, holding that vengeance upon their enemies was more to be desired than any personal blessings, and reckoning this to be the most glorious of hazards, they joyfully determined to accept the risk, to make sure of their vengeance, and to let their wishes wait; and while committing to hope the uncertainty of final success, in the business before them they thought fit to act boldly and trust in themselves.

    Thus choosing to die resisting, rather than to live submitting, they fled only from dishonour, but met danger face to face, and after one brief moment, while at the summit of their fortune, escaped, not from their fear, but from their glory.

    "So died these men as became Athenians. You, their survivors, must determine to have as unfaltering a resolution in the field, though you may pray that it may have a happier issue.

    And not contented with ideas derived only from words of the advantages which are bound up with the defence of your country, though these would furnish a valuable text to a speaker even before an audience so alive to them as the present, you must yourselves realize the power of Athens, and feed your eyes upon her from day to day, till love of her fills your hearts; and then, when all her greatness shall break upon you, you must reflect that it was by courage, sense of duty, and a keen feeling of honour in action that men were enabled to win all this, and that no personal failure in an enterprise could make them consent to deprive their country of their valour, but they laid it at her feet as the most glorious contribution that they could offer.

    For this offering of their lives made in common by them all they each of them individually received that renown which never grows old, and for a sepulchre, not so much that in which their bones have been deposited, but that noblest of shrines wherein their glory is laid up to be eternally remembered upon every occasion on which deed or story shall call for its commemoration.

    For heroes have the whole earth for their tomb; and in lands far from their own, where the column with its epitaph declares it, there is enshrined in every breast a record unwritten with no tablet to preserve it, except that of the heart.

    These take as your model and, judging happiness to be the fruit of freedom and freedom of valour, never decline the dangers of war. For it is not the miserable that would most justly be unsparing of their lives; these have nothing to hope for: it is rather they to whom continued life may bring reverses as yet unknown, and to whom a fall, if it came, would be most tremendous in its consequences. And surely, to a man of spirit, the degradation of cowardice must be immeasurably more grievous than the unfelt death which strikes him in the midst of his strength and patriotism!

    "Comfort, therefore, not condolence, is what I have to offer to the parents of the dead who may be here. Numberless are the chances to which, as they know, the life of man is subject; but fortunate indeed are they who draw for their lot a death so glorious as that which has caused your mourning, and to whom life has been so exactly measured as to terminate in the happiness in which it has been passed.

    Still I know that this is a hard saying, especially when those are in question of whom you will constantly be reminded by seeing in the homes of others blessings of which once you also boasted: for grief is felt not so much for the want of what we have never known, as for the loss of that to which we have been long accustomed.

    Yet you who are still of an age to beget children must bear up in the hope of having others in their stead; not only will they help you to forget those whom you have lost, but will be to the state at once a reinforcement and a security; for never can a fair or just policy be expected of the citizen who does not, like his fellows, bring to the decision the interests and apprehensions of a father.

    While those of you who have passed your prime must congratulate yourselves with the thought that the best part of your life was fortunate, and that the brief span that remains will be cheered by the fame of the departed. For it is only the love of honour that never grows old; and honour it is, not gain, as some would have it, that rejoices the heart of age and helplessness.

    "Turning to the sons or brothers of the dead, I see an arduous struggle before you. When a man is gone, all are wont to praise him, and should your merit be ever so transcendent, you will still find it difficult not merely to overtake, but even to approach their renown. The living have envy to contend with, while those who are no longer in our path are honoured with a goodwill into which rivalry does not enter.

    On the other hand, if I must say anything on the subject of female excellence to those of you who will now be in widowhood, it will be all comprised in this brief exhortation. Great will be your glory in not falling short of your natural character; and greatest will be hers who is least talked of among the men, whether for good or for bad.

    "My task is now finished. I have performed it to the best of my ability, and in word, at least, the requirements of the law are now satisfied. If deeds be in question, those who are here interred have received part of their honours already, and for the rest, their children will be brought up till manhood at the public expense: the state thus offers a valuable prize, as the garland of victory in this race of valour, for the reward both of those who have fallen and their survivors. And where the rewards for merit are greatest, there are found the best citizens.

    "And now that you have brought to a close your lamentations for your relatives, you may depart."
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    the one about aiskylos made me laugh and eagle droping a turtle of all things on his bald head pure genious

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    But admit it is a good way to die

    Platos rant

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    Greek philosopher(427-347BC). This is a fascinating passage in the Republic, where he describes the fearful consequences which are likely to follow if "unworthy interlopers" meddle with such high affairs as philosophy - and therefore government, reserved by Plato for gentlemen philosophers. Unpleasant(as I think it is) it is still a remarkable piece of invective. And it is aimed at greek democracy, especially in its athenian form. Plato thinks it deplorable

    "when any poor creature who has proved his cleverness in some mechanical craft sees here an opening for a pretentious display of high-sounding words and is glad to break out of the prison of his paltry trade and take sanctuary in the shrine of philosophy.

    For as compared with other occupations, philosophy, even in its present case, still enjoys a higher prestige, enough to attract a multitude of stunted natures, whose souls a life of drudgery has warped and maimed no less surely than their sedentary crafts have disfigured their bodies.
    For all the world they are like some bald-headed little tinker(chalkeus phalakros kai smikros), who, having come into some money, has just got out of prison, had a good wash at the baths, and dressed himself up as a bridgegroom, ready to marry his master´s daughter, who has been left poor and friendless. Could the issue of such a match ever be anything but contemptible bastards?

    And, by the same token, what sort of ideas and opinions will be begotten of the misalliance of Philosophy with men incapable of culture? Not any true-born child of wisdom; the only right name for them will be sophistry
    ".(Cornfords translation, as used by G.E.M de Ste. Croix)
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    can i post bits about religion and plays by some athenians and spartans+I have the funeral oration in english if you want a better translation

    also can i post like a general list of interesting characters with a description of their lifes=message me

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    Please do. Anyone can post.

    Sybarites

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    Inhabitants of Sybaris, an ancient Greek city in the bay of Taranto in southern Italy. Its reputation for luxury and extravagance have been passed down by many ancient writers with such emphasis that the word Sybarite means libertine in most european languages.

    The industrious quote-collector Athenaios, who lived and worked around 200's AD informs us that a sybarite who saw a farmer tilling his land became utterly depressed just by watching him. Sybarites was the first to invent the chamber pot, and at their many parties they always carried one with them so that they could avoid getting up. They often wreathed the chefs who had cooked the best dishes, and their wine was delivered in pipelines directly from the producers of the countryside. Since they didn´t want to be disturbed in the morning blacksmiths, carpenters and roosters were banned in Sybaris.


    Their cavalry used to parade in saffron-colored robes over their harnesques and they had taught their horses to dance to flute music - but this proved fatal. Their ascetic enemies of the pythagoreic Kroton apparantly played a dance tune when they attacked Sybaris, whose cavalry then of course was incapable of fighting since their horses began to dance.


    The city fell and was demolished to the ground. Only in modern times archaeologists have rediscovered the remains of Sybaris.
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    I have difficulty believing that z city like that could actually exist .

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    I believe there was a city named Sybaris, however the details are of course debateble
    It is a nice anecdote though and it was known in antiquity.
    Anyway thank the sybarites next time you use your chamber pot

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    Centaurs

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    Horse-people in Greek mythology. They were the fruit of Ixions embrace with the cloud and lived mainly in Thessaly, where they established a state of true cavalrists. Ancient writers apperas to think that centaurs actually existed - Pliny the Elder even said to have seen an embalmed centaur. Imported by the Emperor Claudius to Rome from Egypt - and artists have always been interested in them - both then and later.

    A battle between centaurs and a people called Lapiths is the subject of the sculptures on the metopes of Parthenon and the frieze on Temple of Zeus in Olympia. The story behind these scenes is that Peirithoos, the king of Lapiths tribe, celebrated the wedding with a lady named Hippodamia, and among the guests were a group of centaurs who were relatives of the bridegroom - The Lapiths too descended from Ixion and the cloud of Hera in disguise.

    One of the centaurs got very drunk(they were not used to wine) during the party and tried to rape the bride, which led Theseus, who was also among the guests to kill him on the spot. A general brawl broke out and many centaurs were killed. The defeated centaurs were then expelled from Thessaly to the northwest.


    Ixion and the cloud

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    Ixion had during his earthly life thrown his father-in-law in a pit with hot coals to avoid paying the dowry he had promised.

    People's outrage at this atrocity took such expressions that Zeus had mercy on him and took him to Mount Olympus, but on arrival Ixion returned this kindness by trying to seduce Hera. He arranged an appointment with her, but Zeus, who found out about it formed a cloud so that it was an image of Hera and sent it to the meeting place. Ixion was fooled, and his embrace of the cloud led to(among others) the creation of the centaurs. Zeus slew him after Ixion had completed the deed and let Hermes chain him at a wheel at Hades in the underworld.

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    Petition to Ptolemaios III Euergetes(243BC) - from a minor official in Middle Egypt

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    To King Ptolemy, greeting, from Antigonus, I am being unjustly treated by Patron, the superintendent of police in the lower toparchy


    Petition to Ptolemaios(220BC) - from a working woman

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    To King Ptolemy(IV Philpator), greeting from Philista, daughter of Lysias, resident in Tricomia(a village in the Fayum). I av wronged by Petechon. For as I was bathing in the baths of the said village, and had stepped out to soap myself, he, being the bathman in the women´s rotunda and having brought in the jugs of hot water, emptied one over me and scalded my belly and my left thigh down to the knee, so that my life was in danger.....I beg you, O king, if it please you, as a suppliant who who has sought your protection, not to suffer me, a woman who works with her hands, to be thus lawlessly treated.


    Petition to a landlord(6th century AD) - from a tenant to his landlord

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    To my good master, lover of the poor, all-esteemed and most magnificent Patrician and Duke of the Thebaid, Apion, from Anoup, your miserable slave(doulos) upon your estate called Phacra...


    Petition from the village of Aprodito(567AD) - introduction written by notary Dioscorus, son of Apollôs

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    To Flavius Triadius Marianus Michael Gabriel Constantine Theodore Martyius Julian Athanasius, the most renowned general and consular and most magnificent Patrician of the Prefect Justin. Duke and Augustal of the Thebaid for the second year. Petition and supplication from your most pitiable slaves, the wretched small-owners and inhabitants of the all-miserable village of Aphrodito, which is under the Sacred Household and your magnificient authority. All justice and just dealing for ever illuminate the proceedings of your pre-eminently excellent and magnificient authority, which we have long expected as the dead in Hades once awaited the coming of the Christ, the everlasting God. For after him, our master God, the Saviour, the Helper, the true and merciful Benefactor, we set all our hopes of salvation upon you Highness, who are among all men praised and bruited abroad, to help us in all our emergencies, to deliver us from the assault of unjust men, and to snatch us out of the unspeakable sufferings, such as no paper can contain, which have from the beginning befallen us at the hands of Menas, the most illustrious scriniarius and pagarch of Antaeopolis. We humbly recall your all-wise, most famous and good-loving intelligence, but it reaches such a height of wisdom and comprehension(beyond the limited range of words to express) as to grasp the whole with complete knowledge and amendment(unclear passage); whence without fear we are come to grovel in the track of your immaculate footsteps and inform you of the state of our affairs.


    All these petitions hail from Egypt(the sources are more preserved here)



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    Flavius Triadius Marianus Michael Gabriel Constantine Theodore Martyius Julian Athanasius
    Seems like an easy enough name to memorize.

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    - Short before the battle of Tegyra, when the Thebans first realised that the far larger Spartan force had cut off their lines of retreat, one of the men of the Band exclaimed: "We have fallen into the enemy's hands". And Pelopidas replied: "And why not they into ours?"

    - Once, Antigonus was asked who was the best general of their day. "Pyrrhus", he said, "if he lives to get old"

    - Polydamas of Skotussa
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    We know little about the Olympic victor Polydamas (also spelled "Pulydamas") of Skotoussa, a city in Thessaly. His background, family life, and even the details of his Olympic triumph are mysteries. Aside from the fact that Polydamas' statue was remarkably tall, we have no information on his appearance.
    Like many modern athletes, Polydamas the pankratiast was as well-known for non-athletic exploits as he was for his prowess in the Olympic games. He was not quite as notorious as baseball's Albert Belle, though. Ancient authors tend to compare his feats to those of the legendary Greek hero Herakles. Polydamas once killed a lion with his bare hands on Mount Olympus in a quest to imitate the labors of Herakles, who slew the Nemean lion.
    Pausanias adds that: Polydamas ...went among a herd of cattle and seized the biggest and fiercest bull by one of its hind feet, holding fast the hoof in spite of the bull's leaps and struggles, until at last it put forth all its strength and escaped, leaving the hoof in the grasp of Polydamas. In a similar way, Polydamas once stopped a fast-moving chariot and kept it from going forward. Such exploits reached the ears of the Persians, and the king Dareius sent for Polydamas. There the athlete challenged three Persians, nicknamed the "Immortals" to fight him, three against one, and Polydamas was victorious.
    In the end, however, Polydamas' strength could not prevent his demise. One summer, Polydamas and his friends were relaxing in a cave when the roof began to crumble down upon them. Believing his immense strength could prevent the cave-in, Polydamas held his hands up to the roof, trying to support it as the rocks crashed down around him. His friends fled the cave and reached safety, but the pankratiast died there.


    - Arrichion of Phigaleia
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    It need hardly be said that a fighting art such as pankration, as well as its Olympic fame, spawned a number of stories. One famous tale concerns the 3 times champion Arrichion of Phigaleia, who fought his last pankration match in the 564 B. C. Olympic Games. During the bout Arrichion's opponent tried the klimakismos, leaping onto the champion's back and strangling him furiously from behind at the same time as he wrapped his legs around Arrichion's waist, locking his insteps behind Arrichion's thighs and squeezing. Arrichion's coached cried: "How beautiful a death it is not to give up in Olympia" In a last ditch attempt to extricate himself, Arrichion hooked his right leg behind his opponent's right foot and threw them both backwards to the ground, breaking his adversary's ankle in the process. As they tumbled backwards two things happened at the same time: Arrichion died from his opponent's strangulation while the other contestant, screaming in pain as his ankle snapped, raised his hand in defeat. After a brief conferral the judges gave the laurels to the dead pankratist, and Arrichion became Olympic champion once more -- this time posthumously.


    - Dioxippus of Athens
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    Olympic champion by default in 336 B. C. when no other pankratist dared meet him. Alexander the Great became Dioxippus' friend and sponsor, but the pankratist soon quarreled with a warrior named Coragus and the two were forced to meet in a duel to settle their differences. Coragus wore a full complement of Battle-armor and bore javelin, lance, and sword, while Dioxippus appeared pankration-style, nude and wearing a sheen of olive oil, and carrying nothing but a club. To the spectators the former appeared as the embodiment of Ares, the latter of Heracles. Coragus first hurled his javelin, which Dioxippus easily dodged, and then Alexander's warrior rushed his enemy with his spear. A blow from Dioxippus' club shattered the other's spear, whereupon Coragus tried to draw his sword from its scabbard, only to have Dioxippus grab the Macedonian's sword-arm with his left hand while with his right he threw Coragus off-balance and footswept him to the ground. The heavily-armored Coragus fell to the earth, helpless in his battle-dress, at which point Dioxippus completed his victory by placing his foot on his antagonist's neck. Unfortunately, this marvelous example of pankration's effectiveness as a combative system had a bad end. The hypaspists were so angry at the thought that Dioxippus had defeated one of their own that they had the champion fighter framed for theft, in the same way Ullyseus had Palamedes in the Iliad, who then wrote a letter to Alexander and commited suicide.


    - Leonidas of Rhodes
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    Leonidas of Rhodes (born 188 BC) was one of the most famous Olympic runners of antiquity. Competing in the Olympic Games of 164 BC, he captured the crown in three separate foot races — the stadion, the diaulos, and the hoplitodromos. He repeated this feat in the next three subsequent Olympics, in 160 BC, in 156 BC, and finally in 152 BC at the age of 36. Leonidas's lifetime record of twelve Olympic crowns was unmatched in the ancient world.
    Leonidas was renowned not only for his unsurpassed number of victories but for his versatility as a runner. His favored races required speed and strength in differing degrees; the stadion and the diaulos, 200-yard and 400-yard races respectively, were best suited to sprinters, while the hoplitodromos, a diaulos performed in full bronze armor, required more muscular strength and endurance. Philostratus the Athenian wrote in his Gymnastikos that Leonidas's versatility made all previous theories of runners' training and body types obsolete


    - Milo of Croton
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    Milo or Milon of Croton (late 6th century BC) was the most famous of Greek athletes in Antiquity.
    He was born in the Greek colony of Croton in Southern Italy. He was a six time Olympic victor; once for Boys Wrestling in 540 BC at the 60th Olympics, and five time wrestling champion at the 62nd through 66th Olympiads. Milo kept on competing, even well after what would have been considered a normal Olympic Athlete's prime: by the 67th Olympiad, he would have been over 40 years of age. He also attended many of the Pythian Games.
    He was most likely a historical person, as he is mentioned by many classical authors, among them Aristotle, Pausanias, Cicero, Herodotus, Vitruvius, and the author of the Suda, but there are many legendary stories surrounding him. Diodorus Siculus wrote in his history that Milo was a follower of Pythagoras and also that he commanded the Crotonian army which defeated the Sybarites in 511 BC, while wearing his Olympic wreaths and dressed like Hercules in a lion's skin and carrying a club.
    Ancient sources report he would show off his strength by holding his arm out, with fingers outstretched, and no man could even bend his little finger. He would sometimes stand on a greased iron disk, and challenge people to push him off of it. Other sources speak of him holding a pomegranate in one hand, and daring others to take it from him. Nobody ever could, and despite him holding the fruit very tightly, it was never damaged. Another legend has it that he would train in the off years by carrying a newborn calf on his back every day until the Olympics took place. By the time the events were to take place, he was carrying a four year old cow on his back.
    Another story relating to his strength was that he claimed to carry a calf a mile every day. After 4 years, he carried the full-grown cow the length of the stadium, then proceeded to kill, roast, and eat it.
    Another legend says that he offered to cut down a large tree for a woodsman, who was grateful for the help and promised to return with food later in the day. However, the woodsman never returned, and while Milo was working the tree collapsed on his hand, trapping him. The legend says that Milo was then eaten by wolves or a lion.


    - Cleitomachus
    of Thebes, 216 BC.
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    He was considered to be a quite invincible boxer, and his fames had spread over the whole world, when Ptolemy IV, ambitious to destroy his reputation, trained with the greatest care and sent off the boxer Aristonicus, a man who seemed to have a remarkable natural gift for this sport. Upon this Aristonicus arriving in Greece and challenging Cleitomachus at Olympia, the crowd, it seems, at once took the part of the former and cheered him on, delighted to see that some one, once in a way at least, ventured to pit himself against Cleitomachus. And when, as the fight continued, he appeared to be his adversary's match, and once or twice landed a telling blow, two great clapping of hands, and the crowd became delirious with excitement, cheering on Aristonicus. At this time they say that Cleitomachus, after withdrawing for a few moments to recover his breath, turned to the crowd and asked them what they meant by cheering on Aristonicus and backing him up all they could. Did they think he himself was not fighting fairly, or were they not aware that Cleitomachus was now fighting for the glory of Greece and Aristonicus for that of King Ptolemy? Would they prefer to see an Egyptian conquer the Greeks and win the Olympian crown, or to hear a Theban and Boeotian proclaimed by the herald as victor in the men's boxing-match? When Cleitomachus had spoken thus, they say there was such a change in the sentiment of the crowd that now all was reversed, and Aristonicus was beaten rather by the crowd than by Cleitomachus.“ Polybius , The Histories, Fragments of Book XXVII


    Edit: Ah, I almost forgot, another trivium: I have named my dog Milon after the great athlete!
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    I have named my dog Milon after the great athlete!
    A strong name. Worthy to only the most fearsome of creatures


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    Some very nice olympian victors there, thanks. Hadn´t heard of any of them. I liked the spirit of Polydamas in the cave.

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    Ok, how about some more then:

    - The bloodline of Diagoras of Rhodes
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    And now, with the music of flute and lyre alike I have come to land with Diagoras, singing the sea-child of Aphrodite and bride of Helios, Rhodes, so that I may praise this straight-fighting, tremendous man who had himself crowned beside the Alpheus and near Castalia, as a recompense for his boxing... Pindar, Olympian 7, lines 13-17 The boxer Diagoras of Rhodes embodied every quality of the noble ancient athlete. Immortalized in one of the most famous odes of the poet Pindar, Diagoras was victorious in not only the Olympic games, but in every other major Greek athlethic festival as well. The extent and number of his triumphs certainly contributed to his fame, but the virtuous character of Diagoras was as important to the ancient Greeks as his success as a boxer.
    We know that Diagoras' family was of the noble, ruling class on Rhodes, and the Rhodians claimed that the boxer himself was the son of the god Hermes. Such legends were a common means of explaining how mortal men could perform "super-human" athletic achivements.
    In his Ode for Diagoras, Olympian 7, Pindar praises the boxer as a "fair-fighter" and a "gigantic" man. Diagoras also "walks a straight course on a road that hates arrogance." In addition to his Olympic victory, Diagoras won four times at the Isthmian games, twice at Nemea, and at other games held in his native Rhodes, Athens, and elsewhere throughout the Greek world. We have no exact record of his career, but it is clear that Diagoras was a legend in his own time.

    Moreover, Diagoras lived to witness the Olympic victories of his two sons Damagetos and Akousilaos. At the 83rd Olympiad in 448 BCE, Damagetos won the second of his two prizes for the pankration, and Akousilaos won the boxing victory. Then, the sons carried their father on their shoulders while the adoring crowd showered them with flowers and congratulated Diagoras on his sons. One of the spectators shouted: "Die, Diagoras, for you can not ascend onto Olympus!".

    But the story was not over yet. Another of his sons, Dorieus, won no less than three successive Olympic titles in the pankration, along with eight Isthmian victories and seven at Nemea. Dorieus pursued a pro-Spartan policy during the Peloponnesian War and once was captured by the Athenians, after the fleet he had equipped at his own expense was defeated. He was dragged chained in front of the Assembly, where one would expect that the typically vengeful mob would call for his head, but such was their awe in front of the great athlete and the fame of his family, that they released him immediately. And yet his fate was to escape death at the hands of the Athenians only to find it at request of his former friends. Pausanias delivers that at the time Conon convinced the Rhodians to break up the alliance with Sparta and enter a treay with Athens and Persia, Dorieus was away from Rhodes on some mission to the Peloponnese. He was captured by Spartans, charged with treason and sentenced to death.

    Two of the sons of Diagoras' daughters were also Olympic boxing champions: Eucles, son of Kallipateira, and Peisirodos, son of Pherenike. Pherenike was the woman that famously violated the rule that banned women from the Olympic stadiumat the penalty of death by dressing up as her son's coach. But when the herald proclaimed her son as victor, such was her joy that she jump into the ring to kiss and congratulate her son - tearing her tunic apart in her enthusiasm and revealing her feminine nature to the eyes of the audience and the judges. The Hellanodikae, respectful of the glory of her family, decided not to punish Pherenike, but they issued a decree that trainers would be forced to enter the field naked from that point on, just like their athletes.


    - Astyanax of Miletus
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    But Astyanax of Miletus, having gained the victory at Olympia three times in the pankrationbeing once invited to supper by Ariobarzanes the Persian, when he had come, offered to eat everything that had been prepared for the whole party, and did eat it. And when, Theodorus relates, the Persian entreated him to do something suitable to his enormous strength, he broke off a large brazen ornament in the shape of a lentil from the couch and crushed it in his hand. And when he died, and when his body was burnt, one urn would not contain, his bones, and scarcely two could do so. And they say that the dinner which he ate by himself at Ariobarzanes' table bad been prepared for nine persons.
    Athenaeus, Deiphonsophistae, 10.413


    - Herodoros of Megara

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    Athenaeus refers to the writer Amarantus from Alexandria who gave the description of the most famous trumpeter of antiquity. Herodoros was said to be a man of immense size. He consumed approximately 7 kilos of bread and meat, 6 liters of wine and slept on a lion's hide.
    He was the winner in the trumpeter's competition for ten successive Olympiads, the first one being in 328 BC and the last one in 292 BC, spanning almost a period of 40 years. He also a friend of Demetrios I the Besieger, whom he helped to captrue the city of Argos by simultaneously blowing loudly on two trumpets encouraging the soldiers.


    - Hermogenes of Xanthos
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    Won 8 running events, twice the stadion, thrice in diaulos and thrice the hoplitodromos, in the Olympiads from 81 to 89AD and got the nickname the "Horse" from the Greeks, perhaps because of his endurance and swift foot or maybe because he was exceptionally gifted in the lower department, it's not clear!


    - Chionis of Sparta
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    He was an athlete of ancient Greece, who was most notable for his jumping records in the ancient Olympics. Records suggest that in the 656 BC Olympics Chionis jumped a then record of 7 meters and 5 centimetres. If accurate, such a record would have won Chionis the inaugural Olympic title of the modern Olympic Games in 1896 and placed him among the top eight at a further ten Olympics, up to and including the 1952 Games of Helsinki. As well as his amazing achievements in long jump, Chionis was also noted as a triple jumper capable of reaching up to 15.85 metres (52 feet). Although the rules of such jumps are unclear, such a distance under modern rules would have won Chionis the modern Olympic title right up to the 1952 games in Helsinki. Chionis was also credited with winning three consecutive titles in the diaulos and stadion between 664, 660, and 656 B.C.. The diaulos was an event that involved a race of two laps around the track, or about 384 metres (420 yards). The stadion was the signature contest of the 476 BC Olympics that involved a sprinting race that was run the length of a straight track, perhaps similar to the modern 100m sprint. Chionis' record was not matched until the 480 BC Olympics where a man called Astylos (representing Syracuse) achieved the same feat, but also demonstrated his versatility by winning the hoplitodromos, which was a race completed in an armoured suit. Defending the honour of Chionis, the Spartans amended the inscription on his memorial stele in Olympia, pointing out that there was no hoplitodromos event in his time.


    - Hipposthenes and Hetoimokles of Sparta
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    One of the greatest wrestler of antiquity, Hipposthenes mon five times the Olympic laurel in wrestling, beginning as a boy in 632 BC and winning in 4 out of the 5 that followed, from 624 to 612 BC. His compatriots deified him and dedicated a cult-shrine in his honor near the sanctuaries of Athena and Poseidon. His son, Hetoimocles, became an equally successful and fabled wrestler that won another five Olympic laurels, begining in the 44rth Olympiad of 604 BC as a child and ending his spree 16 years later, in 588BC.


    - Melankomas of Caria
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    Melankomas of Karia was crowned Olympic boxing champion in 49 B.C., and was a winner in many other events. He went down in history for the way in which he fought. His movements were light, simple and fascinating. He would defeat his opponents without ever being hit himself, nor ever dealing a blow.Melankomas believed that to injure someone else, or to be injured yourself, was to show a lack of bravery. Spectators enjoyed watching as he defended himself against the blows from his opponents without striking them. He eventually left his opponents so exhausted, and so frustrated that they could not hit him, that they would give up and admit defeat. He was reputed to fight for two days holding his arms out without ever lowering them. He attained his excellent competitive form through continuous and strenuous exercise.


    and a really weird case:

    -Kleomedes of Astypalaia
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    According to a story Kleomedes of Astypalaia killed his opponent Ikkos of Epidauros in a boxing match in the previous olympiad. After he was convicted for an offence by the hellanodikai and his victory was taken from him, he was out of his senses of grief. He returned to Astypalaia and there he took it out on a school with about sixty children inside by taking down the pillar, that supported the roof. The roof fell down on the children. Kleomedes, being stoned by the inhabitants of the city, took refuge in the temple of Athena. He crept into a chest which was standing in the temple and closed the cover. Finally they broke the wood of the chest, but did not found Kleomedes in there, not alive, nor dead. They sent men to Delphi to ask the oracle what had happened to Kleomedes. They say the Pythian priestess answered the following: "Kleomedes of Astypalaia is the last of the heroes; honour him with sacrifices, since he is no longer an ordinary mortal." From this time the inhabitants of Astypalaia honour Kleomedes as a hero. Pausanias VI 9, 6-8
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    - Melankomas of Caria The Muhammad Ali of greece. Although I also thought of Homer Simpson. The episode where he is boxer and his encapsulated brain makes him withstand excessive beating, thus exhausting the opponent

    Pygmies

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    A dwarf-people who according to ancient writers build their houses of eggshells and live in India or Ethiopia. Aristoteles informs us that they probably live in caves under ground, from where they come crawling in harvest times. The straws which they cut straw by straw with an axe. They are at most 1 foot tall and they have goats and sheep in proportion, but they live in eternal animosity with cranes


    Protesilaos

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    A hero at Troy. An oracle had foreseen that the first greek who sat his foot on the soil of Asia would lose his life. Protesilaos none the less daringly ran ashore, he fell immediatly, but in his tracks the other warriors sprung from their ships and drove the troyans back. His wife Laodamia was beside herself with grief upon recieving the information of his death. She ordered a wooden statue to be made in his image, and this she always carried in bed. Her father who thought that her sorrow and grief went a bit to far had the statue burned, but Laodamia then threw herself into the flames and died.
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