The Boers and South Africa

[Tajir]

This is my opinion in relation to the Terreblanche murder and in total my views on White South Africa and especially the Boer community, this is coming from an African.

The Boers are natives of Africa, they have lived in Africa for half of a millennium, they are every bit invader as the majority Black ethnic groups and are every bit native as they are, both groups came to the land around the same time.

The big issue here is the Boer Republic theme. Do they deserve it? Previously I'd say yes but in context of history a big NO.

The Boers and the Blacks lived like brothers for hundreds of years, they fought, made peace, and received blessings from one anothers' chiefs. As I know, the Boers are the proudest Africans I've come across. But later when the British came and the Boers dropped their African pride to gain temporary White privilege. When the British left SA, the Boers had all the power in the world to empower their Zulu & Xhosa brothers or even declare a nation of their own much the style of Lesotho and Swaziland but they chose instead to live off the sweat and further agony of the Blacks for a short-lived benefit. I ask why THEN did they not call for a White or Boer state, why NOW expect sympathy and crocodile tears? They cheated their brothers and compatriots like snakes and now expect a happy farewell. Well, it won't happen. The Boers burned down SA and helped create an atmosphere of hate and mistrust and now they want to walk away instead of being mature and alleviating the problems.

That's my take. They had their chance THEN when it was right but they want their cake now when its convenient, as if they can so easily get anything they want, as if the world and South Africa is still their oyster. Discuss.

[Exarch]

sounds bout right
but i'd hope that not every afrikaan has the same views as terrablanche;

how bout a 2 state solution?

[Noob king]

Imagine if for example Jacob Zuma was killed by two Boers and they went to the police station and handed themselves in this is what happened to eugen ter blanc (exuse my spelling) you can understand why the Boers are just a little annoyed after that because it sounds less like a random killing and more like Malema's "kill the boer" song is being accepted by some people....

But yes i can understand your views as well but this should be forgetten just till the eyes of the world are not waiting for SA to completely mess up. When the world cup is finished then it would be a better time to discuss these things.

[Tajir]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Boers deserve anything bad, I would never want an innocent Boer harmed because of the cruelty of their forefathers. I just think they're forgetting how long they've been in South Africa and that its their country too. They should fix it instead of running away, I mean what does the future hold for a small White republic in the middle of a Black sea? Do they even think about that? They're destined to suffer the same problems as Israel without the US lifeline.

I say this - the Boers have a right to self-determination but they've made it clear in the past that they want to remain in South Africa so long as they can abuse their Black countrymen. I say, once you're in, you're in, through thick and thin. Personally I'm appalled by the Boers' behavior during English and post-English rule, and further appalled by their reaction to the ANC. Instead of challenging them, they crawled into the darkness despite the ANC's strangely White-friendly beginnings during rule.

[Noob king]

hmmmm........

Yes i can agree with what your saying but also consider that to change the country or make a active diffrence you have need to have a person in the goverment (or alot of people). this limits the boer communities because they are restricted due to the Apartheid.

They can try help with little things, and yes there are a few boers in the goverment but not enough, to get their opinion across. The reson i suspect they are upset-In fact the root of the problem- is malema he has been saying things and doing things which are enciting people everywhere, the reason i bring malema into this is because i have the suspicion that he is trying to cause trouble or he doesn't realise what he is doing either way it is making alot of people edgy, had it been at seperate periods of time i suspect that the boers would be less riled but both of these things together.....

I also suppose that the boers were in control for a very long time it is easy to become "addicted" if you will... so in the end i agree with you on the point that they have committed acts of cruelty. but rather than blame only the boers have you considered English's part in this? they are certainly not clean of this whole problem, in fact they introduced Afrikaanse rule, there was nothing wrong with it AT FIRST, all they did was continue the English rule. After all when your brought up believing something is fact it is very difficult to change your ways.

[Tiberios]

Isn't a two state solution quite hard to make. As I recall it, the Boers make up no majority in any regions, just in some neighbourhoods in the major cities. So unless you'd want to move all tyhe whites to one area it's a bit difficult.

[Dr. Croccer]

Boers =/= Afrikaners. The bulk of the white population are Afrikaners and Anglo-Africans,. It's basically like comparing the South with the entire US from 1870-1960. Whilst the US maintained alot of the discriminatory laws the South liked, it's out of the question that it would tolerate a new secession of the South. It's the same with South Africa. The most powerful groups were the Afrikaners and English. It's very doubtful that they would've tolerated the secession of the Transvaal, which was one of, if not the, the economic centers of the country. And it's doubtful that the Boers wanted to, as they were relatively content. It wasn't untill after the end of Apartheid, with crime and lawlessness shooting up and influence of the white minority decreasing rapidly, that many Boers had the idea that they were living in a quite troubled country in which they had no real voice of their own.

[Noob king]

Hmmmm... Not so sure your right about the Boers=Afrikaners statment.. to be honest it is a visible diffrence, the only way i can put it is like this: A afrikaner could be called a German (EG) but a boer could be called a... for lack of better words (and no offence intended) a nazi. they are the same people but the way they see things in very diffrent. as far as the moving whites to diffrent areas is concerned, that would not work either, and the afrikanse parties(politics) will not get into power for a very long time. the boerish (?) community is very difficult to work with because thhe sheer Stubborn-ness they have however it is possible like i said earlier to see the true problem you have to look at it through diffrent glasses firstly you have to see it from your point of view(or the point you have been arguing) and then also through my view and see that 1) the boers are upset their leader has died 2)they are getting nervous because of the fact that this happens suddenly when malaema is singing the kill the boer song, this would have been less of an issue if they had happenend sepperatly rather than together. THAT is why the boers are upset now and therefore the crux of the matter.