"Dislike"

[Swagga]

I'm playing as Moors, and one of my generals has a trait called "Dislikes Portugese - Does not like the way the Portugese go about anything at all, they are less then worthy of respect. +1 Command when fighting Portugese." Lol, I just thought that was funny because I've never seen a "Dislike" trait before.

[thursgun]

Yeah, it's a funny trait. Especially if you are roleplaying.

[Archus]

Yeah, it's a funny trait. Especially if you are roleplaying.

How would you roleplay M2TW, specifically?

[Inflatable]

How would you roleplay M2TW, specifically?

I think pretend as if you are a family member. (or like in an AAR, seeing things his perspective)

[Loki_999]

I think pretend as if you are a family member. (or like in an AAR, seeing things his perspective)

Sometimes, but more likely from the position of a chronicler of the nation (like an AAR). I tend to give myself short/long term goals for the nation and not worry about the game specified objectives.

Also to think of things as to why I am going to war with other nations or why i am helping another nation grow, etc. Especially when there is a royal marriage in which case i'm thinking whether i let this happen because I want a valid claim on the other faction's throne or because I want strong ties between our countries.

This is where the vanilla AI comes in for me in a good way. The fact that allies are all too willing to backstab very nicely mimics the reality of medieval times.

[thursgun]

Sometimes, but more likely from the position of a chronicler of the nation (like an AAR). I tend to give myself short/long term goals for the nation and not worry about the game specified objectives.

Also to think of things as to why I am going to war with other nations or why i am helping another nation grow, etc. Especially when there is a royal marriage in which case i'm thinking whether i let this happen because I want a valid claim on the other faction's throne or because I want strong ties between our countries.

This is where the vanilla AI comes in for me in a good way. The fact that allies are all too willing to backstab very nicely mimics the reality of medieval times.

I've never thought of it that way. You are indeed correct. I guess for roleplay is OK, but for gameplay is bloody annoying

[Jiub]

You`ll find it quite often. Milan often has generals who dislike venetians, and the other way around. So do the French against the english and viceversa, turks and byzantines and so on...

[Stolet]

I had a "dislikes pagans" trait with a Templar general, and the closest pagans were Lithuanians, some 3000km to the northwest, so I found it was pretty useless I could use it in my new Teutonic campaign though. Now I'll probably get something like "dislikes Moors".

[Romanichine]

Dislike Pagans? Is that from Stainless Steel? I've never saw that one. Thought you could only dislike nations, not religions (er, if you can call paganism a religion).

--
roman

[SirRobin]

Thought you could only dislike nations, not religions (er, if you can call paganism a religion).

--
roman

Well, why wouldn't you call it a religion? That's what it is ..

[Silverheart]

KingGilgamesh is right, for the most part, although a several of your examples are wrong (sorry to break it to you).
Cannibalism is not a religion (however it IS a part of several indigenous religions around the world),
Druidism is actually a part of the old Celtic religion (I don´t know its´ official name, so I won´t object with you on that point), Fire worship is also clearly not a religion of its own, just a part of some of the oldest religions. You´re probably thinking of religions such as The Aesir Faith, Shintaoism, Hinduism, ancient Blaman religions and other "native" religions.

But you are right when you say that paganism is not one religion.
Paganism is just the christians´ word for all other religions except their own, and referring to any of them as "pagan" is actually very insulting to their followers. I KNOW...
Lately, "pagan" has become more widely used for religions that doesn´t exist anymore (officially), but it´s still a word that respectlessly blunts together completely different faiths.

So, long story short, you are right...
I just felt like elaborating a little ^::^

[... where did it run?]

Well, why wouldn't you call it a religion? That's what it is ..

Not all paganism includes gods. Yes, it might be some personification of natural anomalies, like thunder or something, but the acient pagans (atleast of my nation) never seen them as actual person. Instead it was just a strange strong power of nature.

Now this differs from religion. Religion - a belief that there is some strange paranormal force (forces) in life, who also is a person (persons).

Now paganism is not always a religion.


Concerning TW I had general who dislikes muslims. Not a particular nation.

[Stolet]

Yep, SS, forgot to mention that Your generals usually dislike the historical enemies of your faction.

[Valandur]

King Valandur of Arnor.
Dislikes-Venetians, Milanese, Russians, Poles, Eastern Romans, Imperials, Hungarians, Turks, Egyptians, Danes, Scots, Poms, Spaniards, Portugese, Moorish, French, Sicillians, Papal People, Timurids, Mongols, Aztecs.
Likes-Rebels.

[Inflatable]

Do you guys know that there is also a trait which is called "afraid of ..."?
It makes generals have less command against that faction.

Lol, (half-of topic) I once had a crusading family member with 3 command.
When he attacked Jerusalem he had 10 command.
(Night fighter+1, Likes the dark+1, Wall taker+2(?), Grand crusader +3 when fighting against muslims) and I believe some others as well.
You can get from Crusader to Great/Grand Crusader by simply assaulting, then retreating, assaulting, etc.
I believe you get 50% chance if you attack a crusade target or whatever. Or, even easier, keep clicking on attempt night attack if you have the trait. (crusader gives you piety, chivalry and extra command against muslims)

[KngGilgamesh]

because they are bunch of religions, like cannibalism, druidism, fire worship, the Roman/Greek Gods, etc. they all were considered Pagan and Heretic, along with the Protestant religions, by the church.

[napoleonic]

what triggers these traits? and I've never had the afraid traits line

[Silverheart]

Mostly, the "dislike"-trait just randomly appears among your family members.
However, there are factors that affect it - slightly...
First of all, adjacency - If your family member is in a city close to your worst enemies for a long period of time, or fights plenty of hard battles against same enemy, that will... make it more likely to appear.
Also, like all prejudices, the "dislike"-trait can also be caused by ignorance. If your family member is in a poorly developed city (as in no academia and slow progress in building and such) they are a Little more likely to become prejudicial.
But mostly, they seem to pop up randomly - they also seem to become more common when you play at higher difficulty levels.

And once again, "paganism" is Not a religion, it´s a name originally used by the christians for all other religions but their own.
Even though it has lately become widely used for indigenous religions as well as (officially) extinct religions, referring to a follower of any of them is respectless and hence Very insulting.

[napoleonic]

and what is the trigger for 'afraid of' traits?

[deknegt]

I think it would be when you live in the shadow of the arch enemy.

Like that you are a (much) smaller faction than your opponents.

Or maybe if their Dread is very high?