Tips on killing off Harad?

[Knox213]

As some people know. I've been pplaying a Gondor campaign recently.

I Can litually destory mordor.

But when it comes to harad There troops INCREASE in numbers after every attack.

I'd Destroy 3209 units of theres.

And next turn they'll STILL Come back with 1500-2000 men

In Order to counter attack. I Sent my best fleet behide there lines. And started taking there factions witch have two units in. Just to lure them backwards to ensure i can safely take there front lines

But it just annoys me over the wave they CONSTENTLY Get more men. Linur is always under constent threat of attack. For now i've sorta held them back

So any tips on killing these bastereds?

[brymht]

If you've bottlenecked Mordor by taking Minas Ithil, then you should be concentrating on Harad next; and hope you can hold back Mordor and Rohan can last a while against Isenguard.

Strategically, you should hold a few key settlements; in Linhir and Ithilien; would be my recommendations. build up your forces there so you can beat back invasions fairly easily, simlutaneously, building your troops and fleet in Dol Amroth.

Once you are under siege and they are using a substantial part of their resources attacking your hold points, send out to fleet and Army from Dol amroth to take Tolfalas and Lower Umbar. from Lower Umbar work you way up to Umbar and Upper Umbar. This will create 3 hold points; which you can gradually move out from; now that you have the resources of Umbar to do so.

Tactically : to beat Harad when they don't have Mumakil, all you need are Heavy Spearmen + Archer superiority. Setup a thin line of spears; or even better, citidel guards in front of archers in loose formation and go to town. Keep some standard infantry back when their cavalry is decimated.

To beat Harad WITH Mumakil : There's no REALLY good way in my opinion. Best I can find is to throw a lot of cheap infantry at them and sit back with artillery / ballista; and attempt to bring them down. You'll still lose quite a few men.

[Knox213]

thanks,

So basiclly attack from behide?

I've got a spy in most there settlements.

Prevents the 's from staying inside there base.

[KingLeonidas300]

thanks,

So basiclly attack from behide?

I've got a spy in most there settlements.

Prevents the 's from staying inside there base.

haha from behind, but yeah id say that you should attack em from there

[Lordinquisitor]

Harads units are only light armoured- Take advantage of this! Use many archers to thin their ranks and charge with your cavalry- Don`t be afraid of their spearmen since those are rather weak and also unarmoured.

Their cavalry can however be dangerous, thanks to their numbers. Use spear infantry and stakes against them. Fountain guards would be an ideal, if expensive, choice.

Mumakil are very strong.. I know that they can run amok when panicked with fire arrows, but i haven`t tested whether this is an viable tactic. However, massed arrows are probably good against them anyway.

The best weapons against mumakil, however, are javelins- Try it! Bring some units of pelargir marines with you. They are also great against every other unarmoured unit- Like, hmm, almost every harad unit.

Also- Be aware of the fact that your heavy armoured units tire faster in the desert. So don`t move them to much around!

[Knox213]

Harads units are only light armoured- Take advantage of this! Use many archers to thin their ranks and charge with your cavalry- Don`t be afraid of their spearmen since those are rather weak and also unarmoured.

Their cavalry can however be dangerous, thanks to their numbers. Use spear infantry and stakes against them. Fountain guards would be an ideal, if expensive, choice.

Mumakil are very strong.. I know that they can run amok when panicked with fire arrows, but i haven`t tested whether this is an viable tactic. However, massed arrows are probably good against them anyway.

The best weapons against mumakil, however, are javelins- Try it! Bring some units of pelargir marines with you. They are also great against every other unarmoured unit- Like, hmm, almost every harad unit.

Also- Be aware of the fact that your heavy armoured units tire faster in the desert. So don`t move them to much around!

there cavalry are as weak as hell

Thin witch anoys me about them the msot has to be there archer's.... They ALWAYS Move around.

ALWAYS! and when i try oattack them with calavry. Thet get ganged up on

safe tosay im working my way from the back

[jinjo]

gondor warriors (including all types of soldiers) are better than harad ones, so this is big advantage
sometimes their missile units are annoying but it isn't big problem
try to kill their general then their morale reduces greatly and then capture them

[Lioncross]

As some people know. I've been pplaying a Gondor campaign recently.

I Can litually destory mordor.

But when it comes to harad There troops INCREASE in numbers after every attack.

I'd Destroy 3209 units of theres.

And next turn they'll STILL Come back with 1500-2000 men

In Order to counter attack. I Sent my best fleet behide there lines. And started taking there factions witch have two units in. Just to lure them backwards to ensure i can safely take there front lines

But it just annoys me over the wave they CONSTENTLY Get more men. Linur is always under constent threat of attack. For now i've sorta held them back

So any tips on killing these bastereds?

There are two castles right next to each other in the middle of Harad territory. I usually go for those first with full stacks, they are pretty easy to defend while you increase reputation, and those suckers will keep their focus on those castles so just keep sailing in more troops until you can start recruiting castle units (20 turns or so) from there you can hit them anywhere, anyway you want.

It has worked for me twice. Those are my two cents, hope it helps.

[eugenioso]

land campaigns on harad are strategic suicide if you try and take the gondor-harad route. the best strategy is to take over their coastal towns by anchoring your advance with your fleet, which is superior to that of Harad.

as for the land campaign, you should have a healthy mix of infantry/archers/spearmen/cavalry. infantry as frontline troops, spearmen guarding the flanks, archers targeting the lightly armoured harad infantry, and your cavalry to chase down the enemy and take out the enemy generals.

[Skeleton Of The West]

What I usually do as Gondor is sending all of my generals from the western settlements of Gondor(everything western to Pelargir) and combine them to a single army. Then in any battle I just charge will all of them into the enemy lines and in seconds most of them is getting killed and rout. Its really effective since general bodyguard units retrain themselves so you never run out of men.

[glassakias]

in my game harad had a very good economy, making like 50000 per turn. maybe it was my fault because i had made peace with them the first 30 turns allowing me to attack mordor.
anyway, i made a fleet and a small army in Dol Amroth and attacked the not script protected coastal towns of Haad. i sacked them and raised all their buildings. then i abandoned them completely and went for the next one. it helped me a lot, by boosting my economy and ruining theirs. when they came with their armies, turn after turn, i just defended in Emyn Arnen and the setlement next to the delta of anduin. i crushed all their armies and then i invaded with my defensive armies. with a good strategy i took most of their setlemments in no time at all

[SinerAthin]

I've noticed that some factions, especially Gondor, suddenly receives almost full stacks on a whim.

I remember one very good evidence on this when I besieged their Western coast town, Dol Amorth or something.

But as the forces of Mordor had laid down a tight and secure siege on a force of 3 measly little units, they suddenly, the next round I was going to storm the keep, had 18 units or so...

In fact, in my whole Mordor campaign against Gondor, ironically, my Orcs were always outnumbered and slew army after army, only to see three more armies marching upon me.

The women of Gondor were out soldiers faster than I could spawn Orcs!

[Seleukos_I.]

It's called Garrison Script. I thought that everyone had heard by now.

[SinerAthin]

It's called Garrison Script. I thought that everyone had heard by now.

I'm new

[Muffer Nl]

Read the FAQ.

[Knox213]

Thank you all for your tips and advance. I'll Put them to good use and come up with a stratagie to finally kill Harad.

[loony]

omg, taking coastal Harad settlements as Gondor seemed a bad idea due to garrison script... i thought i would be cut off and facing A LOT of enemies = destroyed army when they retaliate.
so I am grinding slowly on land. VERY SLOWLY.
it is stm like turn 45. I am destroying a full stack of Harad troops every turn for the last 10 turns. Ok, the battles are not hard, but they have like 1/2 army of those southron lancers and they just charge.... and well, halp a unit gone.
this war is draining my treasury, given mordor consistenlty sieging E.Osgiliath every turn and me sallying, I have left Rohan to deal with Isengaard and they are losing.... badly.
I am sure in 30 turns more I will face Isengaard to the north, still have Mordor knocking on Osgiliath and .. I am no longer sure Harad will be dealt with by then...

[Lord Uxbridge]

omg, taking coastal Harad settlements as Gondor seemed a bad idea due to garrison script... i thought i would be cut off and facing A LOT of enemies = destroyed army when they retaliate.

What I tend to do is concentrate the majority of my armies to take Minas Morgul then I find I can hold off Mordor with not too many men (maybe a full army if I can retrain) leaving the main part of my army able to concentrate on Harad.

Then I build up a good navy and use it to ferry a few armies over to take and hold the near-by Harad coastal citys and sink Harad ships carrying armies, this means less Harad armies can get through to mainland Gondor as the only ways are through osgiliath or across a bit of land near the coastal cities I took off them. This left me more free to build up so more strong armies (from Minas Tirith and Dol Amroth) put them on some ships and got them to pick off the strong Harad cities around Umbar (there is the garrison script but if you use 2 or 3 armies, in case they retaliate, with catapults and assault when you first attack you should be all right) all the while getting reinforcements from Gondor via the sea.

This leaves Harad between two bits of Gondor controlled land (on the coast in the top-left of Harad and the coastal Umbar regions in the bottom-left of Harad), I can then "pincer" the remaining Harad strong holds in the centre of Harad by attacking them from the north and south at the same time taking their cities and castles which gradually get weaker as you slowly move east. As for their annoying light cavarly I use lots of stakes, archers and heavier cavarly to to sort them out.

Hope it helps, it worked for me (although I did this from the start of the campaign and don't know if it will work in your situation because soon it seems like you will end up fighting 3 enemies all of which will have full stacks of good troops, so to see if this will work you would have to try it a new campaign, sorry I can't help with Isenguard )

[Magic Man]

If you use catapults and attack straight away, you can get past the garrision script.

[Knox213]

I Brought a settlement off Harad ( Bribed them ). Then sold the settlement to the silvian elves. After Silivian elves lost the settlement. I Took it back.

I've also started assinating there generals. To Weaken there family.