Is it possible to elimainate a faction through assassination?

[AnChoróinIarainn]

Just wondering if it is possible to destroy a faction by assassinating their entire family tree?
I've tried for the last 30 turns (playing as Aragon on early era with the latest rr/rc) to eliminate Leon and Castille, without going to war, but it seems they spawn new family members each time the tree is destroyed.
Can anybody confirm if this is possible or not?

[Sir Walter]

Just wondering if it is possible to destroy a faction by assassinating their entire family tree?
I've tried for the last 30 turns (playing as Aragon on early era with the latest rr/rc) to eliminate Leon and Castille, without going to war, but it seems they spawn new family members each time the tree is destroyed.
Can anybody confirm if this is possible or not?

I don't think so. However, what you could do is use spies and assassins to lower public order so much that they have civil revolts and they die of not having a settlement

[akarivn]

I don't think so. However, what you could do is use spies and assassins to lower public order so much that they have civil revolts and they die of not having a settlement

More over, you should kill the Heir and the King/Khan/Shah last so that there can be no replacement. If you kill a King/Khan/Shah, then save and reload, the Heir will become King, and a family member becomes Heir.

[AnChoróinIarainn]

Thanks for the input so far!
I had 7 assassins and 9 spies hanging around their territories, Leon, Toledo and Valencia. Killed all of their family tree in the same turn like you said but lo and behold, next turn they magically have 2 or 3 new generals!
I've reloaded and tried it again several times but no luck.
It seems they are close to their elimination now anyways as the Almoravids are seiging their last castle!
Frustrating though all the same since I would have liked to have ended them myself!

[Gogolometro]

Is posible. I done in SS 6.1. But have the bads, rebel citys after faction family kill will be well garisoned than the french faction for example. Instead of some crappy militia and some sargents spearman I face it the flamand pikes, crossbowmans, feudal and chilvaric knights. Plus, being rebel, you must compete with your neighboor for their lands. Plus your reputation will be very affected, your leader became a dread one and in the game is the worse way to win a war. Patience is a virtute.

[Ichon]

Thanks for the input so far!
I had 7 assassins and 9 spies hanging around their territories, Leon, Toledo and Valencia. Killed all of their family tree in the same turn like you said but lo and behold, next turn they magically have 2 or 3 new generals!
I've reloaded and tried it again several times but no luck.
It seems they are close to their elimination now anyways as the Almoravids are seiging their last castle!
Frustrating though all the same since I would have liked to have ended them myself!

You must have missed a general on a ship or wandering somewhere far away. They only can adopt it they have at least 1 family left somewhere.

The easiest way is to assassinate all the younger/weaker family members then trap and kill the King in a siege since often unless you reload he is quite resistant to assassins in some versions.

[akarivn]

The easiest way is to assassinate all the younger/weaker family members then trap and kill the King in a siege since often unless you reload he is quite resistant to assassins in some versions.

Or at least you can get some big money by capturing the King and ask for ransom.

So you'd have to make sure you assassinate all family members on the same turn.

Which is really hard to do.

For me, destroying factions by assassination is TOP PRIORITY when I can recruit BIG CRUSADE ARMY.

Just imagine it. I'm HRE and I want a Catholic region (Paris, why not?). How can I get it without making the Pope angry? Easy! Kill all French general, JOIN THE CRUSADE, and set forth to the rebeling Paris.

The rebellion is no problem. I have BIG crusade troops fighting for low hiring cost and free upkeep.

Any faction attacking crusading army will be excommunicated which is exactly what I want because I can crusade against them.

Viva assassination!

[ginger_hammer]

Yep you can totaly kill off a faction by assassination, just make sure you do it on the same turn. eg kill faction leader and any princes on same turn, I've done it before.

[cedric37]

Yep you can totaly kill off a faction by assassination, just make sure you do it on the same turn. eg kill faction leader and any princes on same turn, I've done it before.

That's true
I did this to finish off France, playing as england. The pope threatened me of excommunication if i attack France and i wanted to finish them.
They had only 1 region left and their King was hiding there. On the previous turn i assassinated their heir, and the next turn i assassinated the King. France faction was destroyed, the region turned rebel and i could besiege it

[Tan Zhi Han]

Yep. Hire 10 assassins. That is an easy faction eliminator; however, in SS 6.2.4 whether on purpose or not, the faction leaders/heirs are relatively hard to kill... I know the pope was... Bwahahahaha. It's a great way to put certain people you think would make "good leaders" for factions. For enemies, I leave that 1 star nothing guy as leader and for allies, I put up that 8 star commander as leader. Or sometimes I declare crusades/jihads, wait until the others near the target city and then KILL the crusade/jihad family member. (Thus disabling someone's armies... Sowwy England!)

[Asgath]

Yup, I've done it a few times before. Mostly without realising what happened and blundering around for a few turns wondering why there are a ton of rebel settlements and no more Frenchies running around.

[DeliCiousTZM]

every new turn they adopt more generals if their found lacking escp if they have a large empire then its ceritain they will adopt

[Caesar Clivus]

6.2 (and therefore the RR/RC compilation) also spawn more family members when the faction drops below 4 heirs. So you'd have to make sure you assassinate all family members on the same turn.

[Ichon]

6.2 (and therefore the RR/RC compilation) also spawn more family members when the faction drops below 4 heirs. So you'd have to make sure you assassinate all family members on the same turn.

Ah... wondered what was going on. Everytime I got a faction down to 1 or 2 cities I would see stacks with 3-4 generals in them. I guess the AI had 1 or 2 generals left and got the up to 4 free ones. Or are the family members still limited by how many regions they control?

[Caesar Clivus]

Ah... wondered what was going on. Everytime I got a faction down to 1 or 2 cities I would see stacks with 3-4 generals in them. I guess the AI had 1 or 2 generals left and got the up to 4 free ones. Or are the family members still limited by how many regions they control?

If memory serves, the # of regions controlled doesn't come into play

[AnChoróinIarainn]

6.2 (and therefore the RR/RC compilation) also spawn more family members when the faction drops below 4 heirs. So you'd have to make sure you assassinate all family members on the same turn.

So every AI faction has at least 4 heirs at any one time?
I wish i had that many, damn Aragonese keep giving me ugly princessess so now i only have 2 family members left, who are actually Capetian brothers I somehow managed to marry into my family tree and as my luck would have it, they refuse to give me any more heirs!
I presume that once they die, my faction will too?
Or is there a script that will offer me adoption choices to ensure i dont?

Once again, thanks for everybodys imput and advice

[TheDougem]

Just wondering if it is possible to destroy a faction by assassinating their entire family tree?
I've tried for the last 30 turns (playing as Aragon on early era with the latest rr/rc) to eliminate Leon and Castille, without going to war, but it seems they spawn new family members each time the tree is destroyed.
Can anybody confirm if this is possible or not?

I can sympathize with you my friend, as my livestream campaign revolves around the Kingdom of Aragon and Leon and Castille have been a major thorn in my side. I have them down to two territories, and I've been adamant about destroying their field armies and family members, especially in the field - now I know how they keep pulling those darned generals out of nowhere ;p

And to think I felt so confident when it seemed there were only -two- of em left!

[ferretboy]

Yes it is but i dont do it any more

[Caesar Clivus]

If you aren't getting any births/marriage offers/adoptions, conquer a few more regions. There is a set family member:regions ratio that stops you getting more family members if you drop below it.

[Chyeaaaa111]

I've seen it happen a few times. I remember recently it happened to the Seljuks and they had about 13 regions that went instantly rebel.