In need of advise cause I must be doing something wrong...

[Taffy]

before we start i usually play M/M and i have the RR/RC mod

I've been playing around various campaigns with differant factions trying to find a favourite but I seem to always end up in a horrible circle of loosing money, and my empire expanding very slowely.

The first campaign I played after downloading RR/RC was Morder and that was a big success as I had plenty of money and a long stream of units making thier way to the front line to the point where I managed to meet and exceed my campaign objectives, however now trying to play other factions atm harad, but recently isengard and high elves I seem to end up in this cycle of loosing money where I build an army, start marching them, upkeep costs kick in and i'm in the red or money is trickling in, meanwhile my enemies are some how conjuring full stacks while my diplomats tell my they're all bankrupt.

Is this normal or am I missing a trick? Usually when I start a campaign the first thing I do is make sure all my settlements have dirt roads and land clearance and if they dont get them built, before sending the starting garrisons to take the surrounding rebel settlements.

When I do hit the red my expansion is slowed to a halt as I put armies in forts or settlements for free upkeep, increase my taxes to unnacessary amounts, stop all recruitment and finish off any economy buildings in the hope that they will help.

Maybe its just because im not very persistant or give up too easily. Hopefully someone will be able to give me some tips to make my campaigns abit more enjoyable and fruitful.

[Lordinquisitor]

I`m usually playing VH/VH RC/RR and found money to be almost never a problem. Let`s try to figure it out!

Some ideas:

- At the start of the campaign look in every city and disband units that can`t get free upkeep and that you don`t need as garrison- But think logical! If you want to expand early you might use those units instead of recruiting new ones.

- Always get trade rights with your allies.

- Don`t start your offensives too soon. Make sure that your economy can keep up.

- For conquering rebel settlements use the minimum amount of troops necessary- Often just your general and one or two units are necessary. But you need to get a "feel" for it.

- Always move your capital to the center of your kingdom to reduce corruption. E.g High elves should move their capital to mithlond.

Well, that are a few hints out of my head.

[Jean=A=Luc]

One important thing most players probably miss is to simply click on the treasure chest icon and check their income/expenses. Make sure your economy can support your armies, don't just blindly build units.

[Taffy]

I'll give these a shot and see if it helps
What is a suitable size to have as a garrison cause sometimes im afraid of rebellion if i just leave 1 unit or 1 general there.
As for the moving capital thing when i was harad i moved it to unbar as that had the highest income, is this a good way to go about it or is it better to just be in the middle to reduce the "distance to capital" thing?

im not sure why i end up like this cause usually im ok, maybe its something to do with the RR/RC but that wouldn't explain why i was fine with mordor. hmmm?

thanks anyway, hopefully this may help other's aswell with similar problems

[axnsan]

What is a suitable size to have as a garrison cause sometimes im afraid of rebellion if i just leave 1 unit or 1 general there.

Only leave generals in the best money making settlements, and make sure they have some money bonus traits.
A suitable garrison size would be from one unit to as much as your free upkeep(blue coloured background) holds(check the castle/wall building). Each settlement will hold a number of the units they can produce there for free.

Also set all taxes to low, it will pay in the long run as you encourage pop growth which results in more tax payers.

And as lordinquisitor said, try to use minimal armies for rebel settlements and get your men killed as often as possible
And check how much you're loosing by corruption in each town. Law bonus buildings reduce it, and so does a lower distance to capital. CHeck your finance screeen before and after moving your capital to every settlement and see which pays the best.

[confused german]

Have a look at the 'secrets' thread, too.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...71#post6771071
Greetings!
cg

EDIT: For me a good standard to look quickly how my economy goes and if I can afford new units is to
open the treasury scroll and compare 'tax income' and 'army upkeep'.
If these two numbers are level you'll have enough money for buildings etc.
Most of the time it isn't though, but if you try to reach this, you will quickly understand how many troops you can afford.
Its one of the first things I tell TW beginners to compare these two and you can forget the other numbers for a while.
Don't recruit too many agents at the beginning also!
Their upkeep isn't reflected in 'army upkeep', but the value right above it, what's it called again?
... 'Wages', I think.

[Lordinquisitor]

No, don`t move the capital to the "best" city. Move it so that you get the least corruption. Check your finances screen when doing so!

And as long as the "faces" in the city are at least yellow, everything is ok. (Worst is red, then blue, then yellow, then green.)

[Nergor]

Against corruption it is also nessesary to build Town Halls and Garrisons. Let your leader stay in the regions you have conquered.

[Taffy]

No, don`t move the capital to the "best" city. Move it so that you get the least corruption. Check your finances screen when doing so!

And as long as the "faces" in the city are at least yellow, everything is ok. (Worst is red, then blue, then yellow, then green.)

took your advise, checked my profit +100, moved my capital to one just north of it, checked profit +300! very good advise!

thanks everyone

[ArmoredSergeant]

Are you hording units by avoiding battle? If you have money problems then it's time for your men to die. Send them to battle asap, the dead cost nothing. This way you will knock enemy stacks out of the way for you to expand, you'll maximize your general's stars or make new ones, and your dead men will free up more money for you to use to replace them. Don't waste your time with small towns like Henneth Anun, go for big cities - it's even okay to loot. Also, if you are an evil faction and you can see that one of your allies is clearly going to finish a crusade then put all your armies on crusade for the free upkeep. Then use the money saved to buy cities from your allies for 30k each.

[Wolfsblut]

For Isengard is my favorite faction and can be a little unpleasant when things run against you...
(rohan and eriador + gondor and high elves... ).

Use the snaga scum!
They are cheap, in RC/RC even more, with almost no upkeep.
Save the uruk-hai to crush rohan and keep gondor at bay when they pissed enough and intervent the war and do in the west what the AI does best: spam them.

Especially with Isengard the snagas are imo most important to survive.
Btw, a snaga stack with some goblin-infantery ist not that much worse than the usual eriador-army (at least so it be til 1.5 ...).