What Justifies 50% Tax Income?

[jankren]

In my opinion, the ideal world would be a place with no tax. But anyone with half a brain knows thats just not realistic. So I agree that tax in general and tax income at some extent are necessary.

However, in many countries some people subject to tax income as high as over 50%!

It is fair for me that the richest should pay relatively higher taxes. But taking half of their earnings or more even if they make $1 billion/year is 'immoral'.

In my book, nothing justifies tax income over 25%.

[Boyar Son]

That's the Netherlands for you. in Norway it's near 50%

[Treize]

Our highest income tax rate is 52%.
Some want to raise this to 62%.

[Denny Crane!]

Our highest income tax rate is 52%.
Some want to raise this to 62%.

Wow 62%?!?

How many years until that country gets to 95% tax (happened in the UK once)

[Enemy of the State]

How many years until that country gets to 95% tax (happened in the UK once)

Wow, that's... slavery, pure and simple.

[Thorn777]

Wow 62%?!?

How many years until that country gets to 95% tax (happened in the UK once)

That "happened once" across the western world for quite a considerable amount of decades. And there is a considerable amount of wealthy people who'd like to pay more taxes along those 62% lines as long as it ends up well spend.

@OP

Nothing is "fair" in life.

[Darth Red]

That "happened once" across the western world for quite a considerable amount of decades. And there is a considerable amount of wealthy people who'd like to pay more taxes as long as it ends up good.

Why do they need a tax to donate, then? If they enjoy all the luxuries of life and have money to burn, why not allpw them give more of thier weath to thier government for redistribution if it "ends up good". Why force everyone to follow suit, even those that don't share the same ideals?

Taxes should be fair across the board. It is a civic duty to pay a fair percentage of your earnings to your government for services that provide a citizen with basic rights and protections. The problem arises when you ask of one citizen for 50 percent of thier income and another only 20 percent. There is no equallity nor justice in that.

[Boyar Son]

ffffff-

For what? why so high? does the government buy it's citizens most things like a mom does for her baby?

[Juli]

In my opinion, the ideal world would be a place with no tax. But anyone with half a brain knows thats just not realistic. So I agree that tax in general and tax income at some extent are necessary.

However, in many countries some people subject to tax income as high as over 50%!

It is fair for me that the richest should pay relatively higher taxes. But taking half of their earnings or more even if they make $1 billion/year is 'immoral'.

In my book, nothing justifies tax income over 25%.

Not even universal education, healthcare, and other government services like libraries, police, etc?

It's true that 50% is a little bit too much, but efficient government services which everyone can have access to are worth it, at least as I see it

[Enemy of the State]

What justifies taxation? Theft is still theft, even if done by men with fancy hats instead of thugs from the street.

[Problem Sleuth]

What justifies taxation? Theft is still theft, even if done by men with fancy hats instead of thugs from the street.

And the alternative is better?

[Enemy of the State]

And the alternative is better?

Yes.

[Kjertesvein]

I would say, if you live in Scandinavia.

Yes.

Your ticket to Somalia is payed already? Ok then good luck.

[Problem Sleuth]

Yes.

How so? How is a non-state apparatus going to effectively sustain defense, police, etc, in a just way?

[justicar5]

Yes.

If you believe that then somalia should be paradise.

I don't have the option to leave at all. There are these things called governments, they don't let you just walk in and set up shop anywhere you like.

Are you living on another planet?

Oh and can you tell me where to find that contract I signed? You see contract implies choice, I must have been offered one at some stage for me to choose to enter into a contract.

Goverments formed in the ultimate free market anarchist situation, ruthless competition between peoples and nations, no rules (until the League of Nations and later the UN) and precisly none of them arrived at anarcho-capitalism or liberterianism as the most effecient form (apart from the aforementioned somalia by default when the goverment collapsed), you have over a hundred nations to choose from, pick the one that most closely matches your ideology, or try and convince enough of your country men that your form benefits them.


As to citizenship, your parents when they where your legal gaurdians, they chose to have you in a specific country, they entered you into the social contract, not all contracts are written down to have an affect, a restaurant for instance may charge you just for holding a table reservation, you never signed a piece of paper agreeng to that, but you implicitly did by booking, so your parents in theere position as guardian, implicitly entered you into the social contract, without signing a piece of paper, when they registered your birth.

We can debate how the country should be run, but do not pretend that the social contract is unique in contract law.

[Yosemite]

What justifies taxation? Theft is still theft, even if done by men with fancy hats instead of thugs from the street.

if you want to be a civilized citizen of your coutnry you have to work with other people, you cannot live alone in your cave helping nobody

it's not theft, it's participating in the construction of your country

and 50 % is too ing much is disgusting

even for a rich man with golden pants

[jankren]

Not even universal education, healthcare, and other government services like libraries, police, etc?

It's true that 50% is a little bit too much, but efficient government services which everyone can have access to are worth it, at least as I see it

That will be fair only if everyone gets taxed 50% also.

[Juli]

That will be fair only if everyone gets taxed 50% also.

So, what you're saying is that, for example (I'll get hypothetical over here, cause I don't work as of now), if I work in, say, a factory and earn 1500 dollars a month (which, in my country, will never happen), and my boss gets, say, 50000 dollars a month, it would be fair if we both payed 50% of our money to the state? That makes no sense, I'm stuck with 750 dollars a month (which may or may not be enough to buy food, clothes, electricity, and other various spending), while he has 25000 dollars per month left to himself. I'm not saying it's bad that he has money (it's great that he does), but I want to be able to live okay as well...

No, what you're saying just wouldn't work, I'm afraid

[jankren]

So, what you're saying is that, for example (I'll get hypothetical over here, cause I don't work as of now), if I work in, say, a factory and earn 1500 dollars a month (which, in my country, will never happen), and my boss gets, say, 50000 dollars a month, it would be fair if we both payed 50% of our money to the state? That makes no sense, I'm stuck with 750 dollars a month (which may or may not be enough to buy food, clothes, electricity, and other various spending), while he has 25000 dollars per month left to himself. I'm not saying it's bad that he has money (it's great that he does), but I want to be able to live okay as well...

No, what you're saying just wouldn't work, I'm afraid

I never said flat tax is fair. But taking HALF of someone's earning is not fair even if he is rich.

Rich people work too dude.

If I make $100 and pay $1 tax while you make $1000 and I force you to pay $500 tax so I can go to the doctor and go to school with your money how would you feel?

[HansDuet]

Nothing.

Social Democracy has some pretty bad faults.