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    'Death of the West': Where Have All the Children Gone?
    Wes Vernon, NewsMax.com
    Tuesday, Jan. 8, 2002
    Editor's note: This is part two in a series on Patrick J. Buchanan’s book "The Death of the West.” See part one, Buchanan: Western Civilization Is on the Way Out.

    WASHINGTON – By 2050, it is calculated that the United States will have the dubious honor of being the first Western nation to turn its dominant culture into a minority.

    Bill Clinton has hailed this as a good thing. The disgraced former president, it will be remembered, is a product of the 1960s counterculture that is playing no small part in what author Patrick J. Buchanan’s new book calls "The Death of the West.”

    While some of this trend of de-Westernizing America can be traced to our lax immigration laws and the even more lackadaisical enforcement of them (a subject NewsMax.com will examine in a future installment in this series), part of it can be attributed to lower birth rates.

    The world population has doubled to 6 billion in 40 years. At the same time, Buchanan says, European people – including Americans, Australians, and Canadians – have "stopped reproducing. Their populations had begun to stagnate in many countries.”

    Not a single European country, except for Muslim Albania, has a birth rate that will enable it to survive in its present form through this century. By 2050, the author warns, only one tenth of the world’s people will be of European descent, and it will be the oldest tenth on Earth with a median age of almost 50.

    "The people of the west,” the former presidential speechwriter declares, "have begun to fade away.”

    The population of Europe’s 47 nations from Iceland to Russia in 2000 was 728 million. At present birthrates, without immigration, that is expected to come crashing to 600 million by 2050. That forecast comes from a study by the United Nations. Still another analysis, reported by the London Times, has Europe’s population plummeting to 556 million by mid-century, a dive not seen since the Black Plague of 1347-52.

    "The Death of the West” quotes Jacqueline Kasun of California’s Humboldt University as noting:

    "A couple still has parents and grandparents to support, directly or through their taxes. Since they’ve got fewer or no siblings to share that burden, having children seems even more unaffordable. So how do you dig your way out of a hole like a shrinking population?”

    Excellent question, says Buchanan, "and if Europe does not find the answer soon, Europe dies.” Americans in NATO, he adds, "will soon be defending a vast Leisure World.”

    The author lays part of the blame on European socialism.

    Quoting Dr. John Wallace of Johns Hopkins University: "If everyone has the promise of a state pension, children are no longer a vital insurance policy against want in old age.”


    Wallace completes the circle of consequences: "If women can earn more than enough to be financially independent, a husband is no longer essential. And if you can also have sex and not babies – and this seems to be true now of Catholic Italy as it is of secular Britain – why marry?”

    Socialists Make Families, and Europe, Obsolete

    Thus Buchanan notes: "By freeing husbands, wives and children of family responsibilities, European socialists have eliminated the need for families. Consequently, families have begun to disappear. When they are gone, Europe goes with them.”

    And while this trend continues, the Third World adds 100 million people – the equivalent of one new Mexico every 15 months.

    Here are some of the highlighted facts and figures:


    By 2050, "23 million Germans will have disappeared” from today’s 82 million to 59 million.

    Halfway through the 21st century, according to University of Rome demographer Antonio Colini, Italy, which is already dependent on immigrants to bear the load of its deeply indebted pension system, "will no longer be Italian.” Fifty-two percent of Italian women between 16 and 24 planned to have no children.

    Russia’s 147 million people will fall to 114 by 2050, with a population loss of 22 million in just 15 years, warns President Vladimir Putin. That is greater than all the Soviet Union’s losses in the Hitler-Stalin war, Buchanan observes.
    Muslims, China to Carve Russia?

    It is calculated that Russia, already in a terminal population crisis, will, by 2050, be driven out of Central Asia by Islamic invaders and lose huge slices of its Far East to China, 15 times as populous. That would push Russia back over the Urals to its European borders and fulfill Putin’s warning of "a threat to the survival of the nation.”


    Demographers have calculated that by the end of this century, the British people will be a minority in their homeland. With fertility rates down in England and Wales and ethnic minorities constituting 40 percent of London’s population, U.K. whites will soon be in the minority.

    The trend is seen in Japan, the first Asian nation to enter the modern era. Of the 190 nations on earth, Japan is the oldest, with a median age of 41. Politicians there have begged women to have babies.

    As for the United States, only once before had the birthrate fallen below population replacement. That was during the Great Depression, when a fourth of America’s breadwinners were out of work.
    Millions Lost to Abortion

    There was the great upswing with the surge of birth in the Baby Boom generation of 1946-1964. Then came Roe vs. Wade, creating the legal green light to the 40 million abortions that have since been performed in the U.S.

    In 2000, the FDA approved RU-486, a do-it-yourself abortion drug. No U.S. company wanted to be associated with any public relations flak or lawsuit threat that would accompany manufacture of the pill. A Chinese company filled the gap. China’s own policies of one child per couple and forced abortion, accompanied by its communist dictatorship, meant that public relations would not be an impediment.

    China Helps U.S. Commit Suicide

    "Cynics might characterize China’s role in producing RU-486 for America as an act of assisted suicide for the one nation blocking its path to Asian hegemony and world power,” says Buchanan.

    The author cites Dutch demographer Dirk van de Kaa, who traces the birthrate decline in the Western world to:


    A shift from the golden age of marriage to a new age of cohabitation.

    A shift from a time of "king child” with parents to "king-parents” with one child.

    A shift from preventive contraception, benefiting early children, to self-fulfilling contraception.

    A shift from a uniform system of families and households, including single-parent families.
    Bottom line, says Buchanan: The decisions women are making today "will determine if Western nations will even be around in a century, and western women are voting no.”

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    Hmmm....

    Great, if it wasn't flawed in part...

    The 3rd world has high birth rates because the death rates of children are so high. In order to have successful offspring (as in alive) you need to produce loads of children. In the industrialised world, medical advances have basically ensured a baby's survival to such an extent that if you have a child you can be pretty sure that it will survive to adult hood.

    The population boom that the West had (19th century/20th century) was due to the change of infant mortaility rates and the gradual change of attitudes - ie even though infant mortality rates were substantially lower, the birth rate was still high (people didn't want to take the risk!). The result was that there was an enormous growth in population. Now, people know what that they don't need to have so many baby's - our birth rates are now lower. Admittedly, things have reached a stage where concern is needed... There is also the problem (in Europe) that there are too many people - some think that this is nature's way of telling us to stop producing. Culturally, caucasians in Europe are willing to do this as the tradition of large families has already been established, for immigrants, this isn't so. Eventually even these will have fewer and fewer children. Things will balance out.

    The growth that the industrialised countries had is now being repeated around the world. Eventually - it will all even itself out.

    To blame socialism is just far too simplisitc. Too be honest - you could easily blame the growth of the pluralistic democracy - the rise of this has coincided with the demise of the West's apparent demise. Anyway, there are far too many of us on this planet, anyway. To blame women alone is rather sexist - it takes two to tango...

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    This assumes that the "West" is a racial distinction, which it most certainly is not. Western culture is too seductive to overtaken by a foreign culture in its own borders. In fact, what we are seeing is the Westernization of an unprecedented portion of the globe. We are seeing ancient cultures like China and India becoming "Westernized." This article is ludicrous and racist.

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    If Pat Buchanan claimed that grass was green it would turn out to have been blue all along, but nobody noticed. He's a ****ing retard. He's talking about the population of the human race escalating out of control with all the devastating consequences that would ensue, and what is he worried about? That not enough of these starving multitudes will be Americans. ****ing idiot.
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    Not to mention disease, war, natural disasters, famine, etc, all of which ream the 3rd world far harder than the West, and seem to be getting worse, natural population control as it were. There's also the matter of that population size, especially in the 3rd world, being completely artificial (i.e. food imports greatly increasing the population that can be supported), a few well placed disasters, whether natural or manmade, could rather easily come close to halving the world population within a year or so.

    That, IMO, would actually be more of a real threat to the West than being "out produced", as a far higher ratio (not numbers, percentage) of the population is artificial in every way possible, millions of people who in a natural world would be dead of starvation or disease kept in check by the welfare state and medical technology, there are more "non-essential personnel" supported in the Western world than in other regions.

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    it is calculated that the United States will have the dubious honor of being the first Western nation to turn its dominant culture into a minority.
    That's totally false. Replace culture by ethnic group, and it will be true. Western culture is actually replacing other's culture everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suetonius
    This assumes that the "West" is a racial distinction, which it most certainly is not. Western culture is too seductive to overtaken by a foreign culture in its own borders. In fact, what we are seeing is the Westernization of an unprecedented portion of the globe. We are seeing ancient cultures like China and India becoming "Westernized." This article is ludicrous and racist.
    Really? Then why thru out europe, canada, the us is it making cultural adjustments to fit its growing non western population? There is nothing racist about it, we are as a culture facing a rather bleak future. Westernization is becoming a dirty word, I wouldnt count on them becoming more like us why would they? They have growing wealth and population, we have a shrinking power base and population. Alot of the problem is we are so concerned with perception of being 'racist' that we cant even face real concerns for our future as a culture. Our first reaction when faced with culture vs culture question is to bend to accomdate the other side instead of considering is it a good idea or not.

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    The only problem I am seeing right now is the fact that white people are becoming a minority and, in some cases, are dying off. I say this is a problem not because I feel they should be in charge or anything, but it's like knowing all the pandas in the world are dead. Sometimes, I think that white culture(at least in America) needs to be destroyed, but none of the others are any better.

    Come to think of it, none of the others are that much better. The perfect society/ culture would be a world ruled by Mel Brooks and Ray Charles. But that's just my 2cp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig
    Really? Then why thru out europe, canada, the us is it making cultural adjustments to fit its growing non western population? There is nothing racist about it, we are as a culture facing a rather bleak future. Westernization is becoming a dirty word, I wouldnt count on them becoming more like us why would they? They have growing wealth and population, we have a shrinking power base and population. Alot of the problem is we are so concerned with perception of being 'racist' that we cant even face real concerns for our future as a culture. Our first reaction when faced with culture vs culture question is to bend to accomdate the other side instead of considering is it a good idea or not.
    Well, I actually agree with you there, multiculturalism is another bankrupt late 20th century idealogy. And you are right, especially about Europe, that they face the grave problem of a growing unassimulated muslim population.

    However, this article chooses to treat race and culture, and white and western, as if they are interchangable terms which they most certainly are not.

    Immigrant populations are not a threat to western culture as much as a failure to assimulate those populations into our society is.

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    And, most important thing of all, who cares? Western culture is not fading away, as already stated by Fenris, it is in fact spreading and rooting at an incredible rate. It's not the Western world which is in danger, it's the white "race" and frankly, I fail to see how, given the incredibily slow rate at which is happening, this could be a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saulot333
    It's not the Western world which is in danger, it's the white "race"
    true....

    'political correctness' destroys western culture as more people from other parts of the world try and enforce their ways of life on us.

    Islam in england is a pretty damn good example of that. laws here are so one sided in the favour of the immigrant it isnt funny...

    but that really isnt about the population decreases...thats just more politics and culture.

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    It's true that socialism has weakened Europe financially and politically in many ways. Europe has chosen a system where people are to be more equal and where as many citizens as possible are taken care off (giving people a second chance). It's not the political system you should have if you want to become the worlds superpower. What system you think is right depends on what goals and views you have.

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    I love how everybody comes out with these studies and theories that say that the world is going to end in 10 years, or that "Western Civilization" is going to collapse in 50, or that the "white race" won't exist in 100, or that China will conquer the universe in 20.

    "Statistics" lie and circumstances change.

    I'm sure that a year before the Black Death no one would have thought that a huge percentage of the world's population would be killed by the plague. I'm sure that no one could have predicted that Europeans would colonize almost the entire continent of Africa in the year 1700, or that Rome would have become one of the largest empires in the world when the city was founded.

    Western Civilization has existed for thousands of years, and is probably stronger and more influential now than it has ever been, I highly doubt that it's all going to disappear in 50 years unless something dramatic or unexpected happens.

    And as for all of the race nonsense, the difference between all the different so-called "races" on a genetic level is so negligable that you could make the arguement that there is no such thing as a "race".

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    The whole "western civilization" thingy, requires a pretty imobile and unchanging concept of the West as a big monolithic and concise entity. What exactly is the west? Renaissance? The middle ages?Inquisition?Human rights?Civil liberties?the Crusades?Marcel Proust?or Adolf Hilter? Albert Einstein? Greeks?Jewish?

    If one can come up with a non controversial concept of westerness that does not refer to Tolkien, then debating the merits of this crypto-racict and alarmist article will acquire some meaning.

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    Actually, western culture under many aspects, is already dead. What many today think is western culture, is severely adulterated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ummon
    Actually, western culture under many aspects, is already dead. What many today think is western culture, is severely adulterated.
    How judgemental.

    Culture, like language, adapts/changes to meet the needs of those who it serves - the people. Our 'needs' are radically different to those in the past - therefore our culture has changed. People bemoan the fact tha language use is worse now than it was 100 years ago. Poppycock - it's different!

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    Quote Originally Posted by imb39
    How judgemental.

    Culture, like language, adapts/changes to meet the needs of those who it serves - the people. Our 'needs' are radically different to those in the past - therefore our culture has changed. People bemoan the fact tha language use is worse now than it was 100 years ago. Poppycock - it's different!
    It may appear judgemental, but infact, it is true. We have switched from citizen to consumer society, from duty-oriented to right-oriented, from a society based on its tradition (whatever the relationship with it) to one which refuses its tradition, from male-governed to female-governed (while parity was the goal), from an expansionist, to an invaded society (instead of a peaceful one). These things do not come to pass without consequences. Change is cool and all, but this has been a full reverse course.

    The west is almost over, unless we start rethinking it.

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    China isn't gonna invade russia. Ever. That would be DUMB. As for the other arguements, all I can say is...erm, well, it is obvious this guy is leaving out facts like death rates in certain countries, and seemingly omitting the fact that mexico and most of south america are western countries...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eXc|Imperator
    China isn't gonna invade russia. Ever. That would be DUMB. As for the other arguements, all I can say is...erm, well, it is obvious this guy is leaving out facts like death rates in certain countries, and seemingly omitting the fact that mexico and most of south america are western countries...
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