Lost comand stars and loyalty!!

**SirWarts** · April 03, 2010, 03:05 AM

I took a rebel settlement and after the battle my general lost all his command stars and some loyalty. I checked and there are no traits that would cause this. So what happened??

Im new to SS so pleas help.

**Sir Walter** · April 03, 2010, 03:14 AM

Originally Posted by SirWarts

I took a rebel settlement and after the battle my general lost all his command stars and some loyalty. I checked and there are no traits that would cause this. So what happened??

Im new to SS so pleas help.

Check ancillaries? Also, if you withdrew from the battle before assaulting it, you may have lost a command point there.

Some titles (which are ancillaries in game) make you lose command (Milan, Florence) and loyalty (lots!) so be careful.

**Caesar Clivus** · April 03, 2010, 04:18 AM

There are also hidden traits that wont show up on the general's trait listing.

**Sir Walter** · April 03, 2010, 04:22 AM

Speaking of those, what's "Kindergarten"?

**bɑne** · April 03, 2010, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Sir Walter

Speaking of those, what's "Kindergarten"?

Its the first level of the trait schooling system and normally changed on the beginning of your turn so you should never see it. I don't think it has any purpose beyond initiating the trait and all triggers related to education.

**Sir Walter** · April 03, 2010, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by bane_tw

Its the first level of the trait schooling system and normally changed on the beginning of your turn so you should never see it. I don't think it has any purpose beyond initiating the trait and all triggers related to education.

I saw it spying on an enemy.

**strife1013** · April 04, 2010, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Walter

Speaking of those, what's "Kindergarten"?

That's the education trait that a family member starts out with when they first come of age, and the next turn it should turn into freshman, and so forth till they graduate.

**SirWarts** · April 07, 2010, 05:22 PM

Forgot the name but its the only welish settlement there is. Its a castle and it begins with a C.

BTW there is nothing in my reten or trate list that would take away 5 or so command stars and some loyalty.

So maybe they are hidden traits? How do we find out what trait it is?

**Sir Walter** · April 08, 2010, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by SirWarts

Forgot the name but its the only welish settlement there is. Its a castle and it begins with a C.

BTW there is nothing in my reten or trate list that would take away 5 or so command stars and some loyalty.

So maybe they are hidden traits? How do we find out what trait it is?

Caernarvon? Perhaps you lost a trait like "Aspiring Commander" for withdrawing from a battle.

**StupidAlarmClockGuy** · April 03, 2010, 03:12 PM

Yeah, this begs the question, which settlement was it?

**StupidAlarmClockGuy** · April 08, 2010, 05:19 PM

Yep, Caernarfon is a settlement that costs your general a lot of loyalty, and like Sir Walter said, you may have just lost a trait in some other way.

I don't think the title from that one makes a general lose command stars too for anything but attacking, but I may be wrong. A lot of traits and ancillaries in this mod have slightly different effects than what is initially described.