Is omnipotence even possible?

[Orko]

Do you know that question:
"can god create a stone so heavy that even he can't lift it?"
ok, So thinking about this I came to this conclusion:
God can do anything, as he is omnipotent, right?
So he can create something, say a stone, that even he can't use/operate/lift/throw, because he can do that, as he is all-powerful.
BUT he can't use/operate/lift/throw it, because he made it so. So he's not all-powerful, as there are things he cannot do.
But if he can lift it, because, once more, he's all-powerful, then it means he didn't create a stone he can't use/operate/lift/throw, and that he won't be able to as every such stone he will create he would use/operate/lift/throw, so once more, there is another thing he can't do.
So does that mean omnipotence is even possible?

[Arch-hereticK]

Collective, unanomous, solopsism is omnipotence.

[vecordia]

Logical it's impossible. Trancendental.

Collective, unanomous, solopsism is omnipotence.

Solipsism is just another theory which tries to explain "everything" in a few words, although worth of respecting and believing.

Omnipotence is so paradoxical that simply cannot be logical imagined even. Every single attempt to create possibility to prove it is false.

[Arch-hereticK]

Solipsism is just another theory which tries to explain "everything" in a few words, although worth of respecting and believing.

Omnipotence is so paradoxical that simply cannot be logical imagined even. Every single attempt to create possibility to prove it is false.

Let me explain what collective solopsism means.

It means you know what everyone is thinking, you know what everyone knows, you see what everyone sees, you are infallible as is everyone else, you are immortal (of course your body dies, but that is a mere cell, an identical cell too all others).

"I could float from this chair like a soap bubble if I wished it, I do not wish it because the party does not wish it" said O'Brien and Winston believed he could - 1984, Orwell.

[vecordia]

Let me explain what collective solopsism means.

It means you know what everyone is thinking, you know what everyone knows, you see what everyone sees, you are infallible as is everyone else, you are immortal (of course your body dies, but that is a mere cell, an identical cell too all others).

"I could float from this chair like a soap bubble if I wished it, I do not wish it because the party does not wish it" said O'Brien and Winston believed he could - 1984, Orwell.

Sorry, I thought you meant "solipsism" not "solopsism", which is quite similar.

[Tacitursa]

If god can do anything it's possible. He can use his power to create a stone. Then use his power to make himself unable to lift stones then attempt to lift the stone and fail. Then use his power to return himself to normal.

There he created a stone he cannot lift.

[Kamonlas007]

Your all just testing god by saying that, your all not proving anything

[Arch-hereticK]

Your all just testing god by saying that, your all not proving anything

It's impossible to test anything without evidence or data.

[Orko]

If god can do anything it's possible. He can use his power to create a stone. Then use his power to make himself unable to lift stones then attempt to lift the stone and fail. Then use his power to return himself to normal.

There he created a stone he cannot lift.

But this is just my point. There are things he is unable to do. If he is omnipotent then he should be able to do these things, but he can't. So he is not omnipotent, because it's impossible.

[vecordia]

Perhaps I'm wrong, some kind of omnipotential state could be possible after some drug trip, but it excludes logic.

Your all just testing god by saying that, your all not proving anything

So what you have done to improve discussion?

Humanity sees no reality, only an illusion we see what we want to see, we expect what we want to expect

And the birds flying accross the sky...

It's slowly getting to the "god does exist/doesn't exist" offtopic point...

[Kamonlas007]

Your just testing God

[Fiyenyaa]

Your just testing God

And it doesn't pass the test, as far as I can tell.

[Strelok]

Your just testing God

Which God are we testing? There are hundreds of works of fiction that people believe in that describe a God or God(s). Pick your work of fiction to have faith in. We're not testing any sort of God. We can't test something we don't believe in, that we have no evidence for it's existence of and we don't know even the nature of such a being presuming such a being exists. We're examining the potential of a God, presuming for the sake of argument that it/she/he exists.

The greater universe does not function on cause and effect.

At the very least it breaks down which would mean something like there is no "chain" of events.

[Kamonlas007]

Which God are we testing? There are hundreds of works of fiction that people believe in that describe a God or God(s). Pick your work of fiction to have faith in. We're not testing any sort of God. We can't test something we don't believe in, that we have no evidence for it's existence of and we don't know even the nature of such a being presuming such a being exists. We're examining the potential of a God, presuming for the sake of argument that it/she/he exists.

At the very least it breaks down which would mean something like there is no "chain" of events.

your just insulting God now, there's one thing i really hate about you atheist is your lack of respect for other peoples belief

[Strelok]

your just insulting God now, there's one thing i really hate about you atheist is your lack of respect for other peoples belief

Lack of respect? Where did I show disrespect? Are you taking my criticisms as disrespect?

[Elfdude]

your just insulting God now, there's one thing i really hate about you atheist is your lack of respect for other peoples belief

Teehee.

Coming from you who asserted that we were all wrong several times I must say, look in the mirror.

[Fiyenyaa]

your just insulting God now, there's one thing i really hate about you atheist is your lack of respect for other peoples belief

Why should we respect a belief for which there is no evidence?

Do you respect people who believe they can talk to the dead? People who believe they were abducted by UFOs? People who think they have invisible faeries living up their arse? They are all equally plausible as far as I'm concerned, and deserving of an equal amount of respect - none.

[Kamonlas007]

Why should we respect a belief for which there is no evidence?

Do you respect people who believe they can talk to the dead? People who believe they were abducted by UFOs? People who think they have invisible faeries living up their arse? They are all equally plausible as far as I'm concerned, and deserving of an equal amount of respect - none.

I don't question things i don't understand, i think those who understand should question it, because they understand, i don't get it when people who don't believe in God question God when they don't even understand God, it doesn't make sense and when people who believe in God, they get questioned for believing in God by people who don't believe in God

[Jom]

It could be argued that we have a rather limited perception of what "power" encompasses and that our expectations can't really be applied to whatever god is supposed to be like. Having said that, as god is itself a human idea, it should be able to be defeated by human reasoning but that's already a biased response as it assumes that god is not the creator and just a concept dreamed up by us.

If you catch my drift.

[Poach]

Omnipotence and style rolled into one.

This always goes back to the age old "If God is omnipotent, can he create an object not even he can move?", with either answer proving he is not omnipotent.