What should happen to America's remaining colonies?
Saviors of the Japanese
Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
What should happen to America's remaining colonies?
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
—Sir William Francis Butler
Comes Rei Militaris
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
Keep them.
Consider Puerto Rico for statehood
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Praeses
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
Seconded.Originally Posted by the_mango55
Or are there any recent problems with these regions that I'm not aware of?
Like, are they profitable? Do they create problems with trafficking of humans of drugs (these issues are there with French and other European "colonies")?
Are the native populations content with being Americans (I could hardly imagine otherwise - being American has some huge advantages)?
Saviors of the Japanese
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
Well I bring it up because Puerto Rico is brought up by Anti-Americans as being evil (despite overwhelming support in referendums to remain in the US.
All the territories remain US territories because they wish to. The ones that didn't (Philippines, Palau, Micronesia and the Marshall Islands) have been granted independence.
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
—Sir William Francis Butler
Primicerius
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
You know, I have heard anyone claim that before.
Campidoctor
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
I am Puerto Rican myself and i would like Puerto Rico to become a State and join the union.
Whether is going to happen from what i know so far is not going to happen anytime soon because so many of us are divided but i believe it will happen in the long run.
In regards to the rest of the territories i believe they should decide for themselves what they feel is right for them. But really it is up to the U.S
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Saviors of the Japanese
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/20...ol3138.doc.htm
Saying that Puerto Rico should be given independence against the wishes of the people.
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
—Sir William Francis Butler
Saviors of the Japanese
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
What I was thinking is, based on some wiki thing, was to, with the supported of the American Somoans and Hawaiians, add American Somoa to Hawaii. They share historic ties and are geographically close.
Have a referendum in Puerto Rico. Based on the last elections state hood should win there. Hold similar referendums in the US Virgin Islands.
Hold a referendum to see if there is a wish for the Northern Mariana Islands and Guam to unite. If there is hold a statehood/independence/status quo referendum.
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
—Sir William Francis Butler
Praefectus
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
Samoa to Hawaii = 2605 miles
Los Angeles to New York City = 2443 miles
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Comes Rei Militaris
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
If the Virgin Islands want to be a state they should have to merge with Puerto Rico IMO.
None of the other territories have the population to support a state.
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Saviors of the Japanese
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
The problem is there is no historic or cultural ties. The US Virgin Islands are part of the Anglo-Carribean while Puerto Rico is part of the Spanish Carribean.
Guam and the Mariana Islands would have a total of about 250,000 and the US Virgin Islands have about 100,000 so they both meet the Constitutional requirement.
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
—Sir William Francis Butler
Senator
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
Those places are pretty cool. You don't need a passport if you're a citizen to go to them on a vacation so it rocks. Anyway, I think they should remain - they are strategically important as centers for defense. These places all have independence parties, with Peurto Ricos being the most relevant but I think most of these places should be brought into the union. Lol, without America most of these areas are going to fall under the umbrella or far more backwards powers. That or fail entirely - I mean they're not even true territories/colonies they're just areas we took/liberated from the various European powers and have basically been care-taker for. Kinda wish we still had the Philippines.
Ordinarius
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
We got most of those territories from Spain after the Spanish-American war, we didn't liberate tehm we just took them for our own. We did liberate Cuba, but they were pretty much a protectorate until the Communist Revolution.
Ordinarius
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
Make Puerto Rico and the Virgin islands a state, I am not to sure about Guam yet.
Civitate
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
You mean like how we 'liberated' North America from the French? Or 'liberated' India from the Dutch?I mean they're not even true territories/colonies they're just areas we took/liberated from the various European powers and have basically been care-taker for. Kinda wish we still had the Philippines.
Under the Patronage of Jom!
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
No, he means "liberated" as in "liberated."
Keep these lands, make them states when possible or merge them with other states if that works for both sides in question.
Dux Limitis
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
Liberation doesn't entail keeping them as colonies.
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Civitate
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
So do I...
Under the Patronage of Jom!
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
Sure it does.
Dux Limitis
Re: Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, American Somoa, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands
So, by that logic, did the Germans liberate the Ukraine from the Russians during WWI and WWII?
Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.
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