I have added a picture here. Why does my trade port not have a shipping lane on it, please :(

[RichSz]

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/8416/totalwar.png

hope someone knows why. Thank you

[eXistenZ]

It seems the trade is going through new york. Go check your diplomacy tab and see if you can make more trade agreements

[RichSz]

i know how u can only trade a certain amount maybe depending on port size but i came across something which i have made a screendump of. It actually says that 'a sea route from your captial cannot be established'. Why not ????

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5002/newimage.png

Look forward to answers. Im kinda clueless to why there is no shipping lane for this other trade prot. Will check back periodically. Byebye

[Kobal2]

i know how u can only trade a certain amount maybe depending on port size but i came across something which i have made a screendump of. It actually says that 'a sea route from your captial cannot be established'. Why not ????

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5002/newimage.png

Look forward to answers. Im kinda clueless to why there is no shipping lane for this other trade prot. Will check back periodically. Byebye

My guess is that the info popup is wrong, as that port is indeed connected to your capital by land so it should be able to open 2 new trade routes.
However, as the proverb goes, it takes two to tango : if no other faction has a free trading port to take your goods, then you're SOL no matter how many ports you have.

[♔Drewoid13♔]

'a sea route from your captial cannot be established'.

you're capital city must have available trade routes open. the port in boston doesn't have a trade lane to your capital because its probably trading by land. foreign trade, only comes in through your capital province. (which is why GB can trade with everyone. London has 4/5 ports and each trade port can support up to 3 or 4 routes = 1 nation / route.

[RichSz]

Everything is ok now i think. Just writing quick here got to go. Might write more in awhile.

n.b-I think that as its a capital, it can only trade with other capitals plus cos i used all my trade options. I couldnt trade from my capital. Bb

[♔Drewoid13♔]

richsz - you can only receive trades at your capital. other provinces can still export.

[RichSz]

so is it pointless to have a dock for trade if its the capital region? might as well use it as a fishery or shipyard :s

Hope u get back to this last person that answered-Drewoid13

[♔Drewoid13♔]

NONONONO lol. not what I meant Richsz. Sorry if i wasn't clear!

You want trade docks for your capital province! Because you only receive good through your capital, you won't see ships going from point x to point y, where y is a random region you own.

Maybe an example?

GB is trading with you as Spain. The goods go from a GB tradedock to a tradedock in your capital region.
Your province of Jamaica produces cotton. if you have a tradedock in jamaica, you will see a trade route from jamaica to your capital region.
You want to trade with UP. When UP accepts your request, a trade route is set up from a tradedock in your capital to a tradedock in UP's capital.
Another - you want to trade with Italian states. When they accept, a trade route is set up linking your capital with their capital.
You have ships in trade theaters. They are supplying goods. The trade lane for those ships goes back to your capital.
You have a trade agreemnt with portugal, as Spain. There is no sea route linking your two capital's since they are linked by land (same for France-spain btw).

For your capital, imho i always use trade docks and maybe 1 shipyard (to get powerful navy). The more trade docks you have in your capital, the more trade agreements you can have with other nations, assuming those nations have available trade routes themselves.

example, you have one free route "allowance", but poland has none. therefore you will not be able to request a TA with poland. However russia and you have one allowance. so when you go to diplo menu, you'd be able to request a trade agreement from russia.

let me know if this makes sense!

[Yin]

I really miss the days where you can change your capital. It's no fun having a landlocked capital ;\

[rollaround]

Things don't always work out even when you do have a valid trade route. I'm on "very friendly" terms with the Poles and Russians as the Spanish, both are able to trade with me but both refuse me every time I request a trade agreement. Not so friendly after all.

[Frederf]

I'm pretty sure that "capital trade lanes" includes both the trade ports from ports in your capital region and the trade ports of any well-connected regions around the capital. New York definitely qualifies as well-connected. I'm guessing that maybe the tooltip is lying?

What could be happening is that New York is providing extra trade routes available as a number, but the actual trade routes are pathing through Boston. For example you have 5 trade routes up right now. Perhaps "5 trade routes = 2 from New York + 3 from Boston." So you have all 5 being used. You'd expect that you'd have 3 lines out of Boston and 2 lines out of New York but perhaps all 5 lines are out of Boston (even though Boston is only contributing 3 routes).

It's just a theory.

[♔Drewoid13♔]

What could be happening is that New York is providing extra trade routes available as a number, but the actual trade routes are pathing through Boston. For example you have 5 trade routes up right now. Perhaps "5 trade routes = 2 from New York + 3 from Boston." So you have all 5 being used.

i can say with 98% certainty that this is false.

From my post:

Your province of Jamaica produces cotton. if you have a tradedock in jamaica, you will see a trade route from jamaica to your capital region.

this same principle is applied to New York. if new york and boston weren't already connected via road, the new york trade dock would have a line going from new york you your capital. NOTE that your own intra-empire trades don't count against your trade limit. only nation to nation trades are limited by your trade dock's level aka how many routes are available.

I hope that's clear?

[Frederf]

Your information falls completely short of addressing the question. We understand the resource side of naval trafficking. In the images, the man clearly has 6 active trades in the diplomacy screen. Discounting the one overland trade route with the Iroquois, that's five of the naval variety. That is too much for his single trade dock in his capital region so some additional trade capacity is being generated beyond his capital region. How do you explain this?

[♔Drewoid13♔]

what level is te trade dock at? We have no way of knowing that!

Richsz, if you right click on your trade dock, that info screen will tell you how many trade routes you can have. The Global Trading Company dock can hold 5 trades, but i don't know off the top of my head which one that it. Also, what does the tooltip say when you hover over the NY-Boston land route? This could be an epic bug, or we don't have enough information. It doesn't make sense a sea trade would go through boston to get to NY, else I could ask why wouldn't I be able to say, use a commerical port in scotland to open up more trade routes? it wouln't make sense to me if you can do it here but not in anyother exact same situation.

[Frederf]

Well, you can look at the 3D art of it. It looks to have 3 pier like-things with an underdeveloped shore facility. New York is known Trading Port (minimum trade-specific port which holds 2 routes if I recall correctly). I'm guessing based on the art that it is the next stage up from that, commercial whatever. Either way, it's rather a good chance that that's not the highest trade port level, and thus holds <5 trade routes.

While it doesn't make sense that a sea trade would route through Boston even if the route's existence is thanks to the port in New York... stranger things have happened. Game is full of oddities that are there with little regard to making sense. I'm not saying with any authority that that is what is going on, just that it is a plausible hypothesis.

If the opposite is true, that only the capital region can house international trade capability, then I'm rather surprised. Trade capacity extension in Scotland is an example of something that's very telling. If only capital regions can have international trade capability then landlocked capitals (Russia, Moscow, right?) would never be able to engage in international sea trade, even if several contiguous coastal regions of that nation had trade facilities. Seems rather hard to believe.

Perhaps trade extension is only possible if the capital region has no dock or no trade docks? Perhaps the extending capability is only possible if there is 0 capability in the nation's home region?

[♔Drewoid13♔]

Well, you can look at the 3D art of it. It looks to have 3 pier like-things with an underdeveloped shore facility. New York is known Trading Port (minimum trade-specific port which holds 2 routes if I recall correctly). I'm guessing based on the art that it is the next stage up from that, commercial whatever. Either way, it's rather a good chance that that's not the highest trade port level, and thus holds <5 trade routes.

I was at work at the time so I couldn't look it up and bugger me to remember!

that only the capital region can house international trade capability

My entire understanding of trades is, in fact, this so I'm baffled as the OP why this would happen. I can say though I've never seen it in any of my games thusfar.

[RabiZaher]

can i ask how can you play US or this is road to independence?

[♔Drewoid13♔]

its ROI i think.

there are mods that let you play US in campaign. check out the subforum!

[War&Politics]

Just checked it out as England. Sure enough, when I had demolished my trade ports trade simply went through Scotland. So I suspect trade will simply go through the nearest trade port to your capital, presumably so long as there are roads connecting them.