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    Default The difference between fact and truth?

    whats the difference between fact and truth? is there a difference? is there no difference?

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    A fact is absolute and the truth open to question.
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    Default Re: The difference between fact and truth?

    go deeper than that.

    Is there truth? What makes truth universal? Is logic universal?

    Fact is fact...there is a certain difference between the definitons of the worlds truth and fact.
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    A fact tend to be a piece of information, unobjective. For example, it is a fact that 4 can be obtained by multiplying 2 by itself.

    A truth tends to be details, and is open to some objectivity, and can contain personal opinion and feeling. For example, it is the truth that you have broken some laws in your life, though likely not out of malice. The fact is that you have done this, the truth contains more information (such as not doing it out of malice).

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    Default Re: The difference between fact and truth?

    Fact
    Noun
    Etymology - Latin (factum)
    A statement or assertion of verified information about something that is the case or has happened; truth; reality.

    Truth
    Noun
    Etymology - Old English (tríewþ, tréowþ, trýwþ)
    A fact that has been verified; a fact; reality.

    They're synonyms. The reason we have two is because English is a synergy of different languages.

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    Default Re: The difference between fact and truth?

    Quote Originally Posted by elfdude View Post
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    They're synonyms. The reason we have two is because English is a synergy of different languages.
    Yes, simply as that. Synonyms.
    No paradox here.

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    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/synonym
    Not even a pun.
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    Default Re: The difference between fact and truth?

    It depends on how you define the words. Do I get a cookie now?


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    -Fact-

    I spent 10$ yesterday.

    -Truth-
    I spent too much money yesterday.
    I spent too little money yesterday.

    Facts are not subjective. Truths are.
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    Thankfully that's not true.

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    I'm going to disagree with most of the definitions here in this truth, that try to equate facts with truth (or at least to a large extent). This is actually based on some rather old philosophy.

    Modern (science) philosophy, however, realises that most things we perceive as "facts" are actually based on a small mountain of pressuppositions (some conscious, some unconscious).

    Traditional philosophy maintains that we have objective 'facts' all around us in the world. From these (trivial) facts we can make a certain set of 'laws' that apply in all situations. Then we use a number of 'theories' with great explanatory power to account for both these facts and laws.

    That's the classic picture that is still widely known, but we now recognize that the facts we perceive are actually influenced by the theories we uphold. A famous example is given by Galileo. When he built one of the world's first telescopes and observed that there were craters and mountains on the moon, this was in clear contrast with the prevailing scientific theory at that point (namely: the moon is essentially a flat orb). Many scientists looking through his telescope therefore said: "If this machine of yours shows mountains on the moon, then clearly your machine is completely unreliable and cannot be used for observational purposes!"
    Indeed, for a large part we judge the accuracy of a microscope or a telescope to whether or not it shows us what we were expecting to see.

    Another example is the concept of relativity. Before Einstein came up with this very important theory, the (unconscious) assumption in science had always been that the speed of light was infinite. In other words, when you saw something (even from very far anyway), it was perfectly accurate and you saw the object as it was right now (WYSIWYG).
    Only when we realised that the speed was not infinite but in fact had a finite value, were we able to do away with several 'factual observations' we had made in the past.

    One of the most important jobs of science is to make that mountain of presuppositions a lot smaller: telescopes and microscopes relieve us from the burden of having to trust our eyes, the same goes for photographic and video material, our ability to repeat experiments stops us from relying too much on snapshots of the natural world, the relativity of our senses is given a hand by various machinery, statistics help us determine error margins and chances, the theory of relativity helps us picture how the world looks like close to the speed of light, etcetera...

    Truth, on the other hand, is more of an abstract idea which we hope to be converging towards.
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    postmodernism recognizes there is no truth in that nothing is universal and eternal.
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    1+1 has always equalled 2 as far as I'm aware.

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    There are no facts, only interpretations.
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    Default Re: The difference between fact and truth?

    HOW DO YOU DEFINE REALITY? IS SOME REALITY MORE REAL THAN OTHER REALITY

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    Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
    Albert Einstein

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    So an illusion is merely a very brief reality?
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