What do you think the punishment or sentence for these crimes should be?

[Banana Jelly]

Here they are as they follow... These are only the ones I know from the top of my head so far


Here they are as they follow... These are only the ones I know from the top of my head so far


1. Murder
2. Manslaughter
3. Rape
4. Domestic Violence
5. Producing/Posessing/Distributing CP (Each in the order as they go)
6. Sexual Abuse
7. Robbery
8. Scam's, like the Bernard Madoff kind
9. Perjury
10. Trafficking/posession of any illegal drugs (Each in the order as they go)
11. Counterfeit Items
12. Illegal entering or re-entry of a country

So here it goes, from my opinion, what the sentence or punishment should be.


Here they are as they follow... These are only the ones I know from the top of my head so far


1. Murder (50-life sentence, no death penalty)
2. Manslaughter (20-50 year's)
3. Rape (10-Life sentence)
4. Domestic Violence (0-2 year's)
5. Producing/Posessing/Distributing CP (Each in the order as they go) (5-10 years for producing, 1-3 year's for possessing, but may increase by the nature of the CP, and 0-10 years for distribution)
6. Sexual Abuse (10-50)
7. Robbery (10-30)
8. Scam's, like the Bernard Madoff kind (20-life)
9. Perjury (0-5)
10. Trafficking/posession of any illegal drugs (Each in the order as they go) (10-30)
11. Counterfeit Items (0-5)
12. Illegal entering or re-entry of a country (Probation for entering, and 0-3 years for re-entry)

[Helm]

The problem is you can't just say "50 years for murder" because it somewhat depends on the nature of the murder and the motivation behind it. Say a guy found a another man in bed with his and unintentionally ended up battering him to death? Would that still be 50 years?

[Oddsworm]

The problem is you can't just say "50 years for murder" because it somewhat depends on the nature of the murder and the motivation behind it. Say a guy found a another man in bed with his and unintentionally ended up battering him to death? Would that still be 50 years?

Mate, thats manslaughter. No mens rea, no murder. honestly , see alot of people who confuse manslaughter and murder here, so everyone who posts after me knows (at least in Australia):

Murder - the accusied has to have intended to kill the victim/ the accused set out to inflict serious bodily hard, which caused the death/ the act was done with reckless indifference to another humans life (he/she did not care that the act would end another humans life). Check R v. Hallett 1969 and R v. Boughey 1986 for examples.

For manslaughter there are basically 4 types. The diffrence between manslaughter and murder lies in the intent. The four types are:
Involuntary manslaughter
Voluntary manslaugter
Contructive Manslaughter
Infanticide



1. Murder - 50 - life depending on circumstances (diminished responsibility, duress, provocation)
2. Manslaughter -15-life depending on circumstances (diminished responsibility, duress, provocation)
3. Rape -life
4. Domestic Violence -20-40 years
5. Producing/Posessing/Distributing CP- 30-70 years
6. Sexual Abuse - 10-30 years
7. Robbery - depending on the circumstances (armed robbery/robbery/larceny) 1-10 years,
8. Scam's, like the Bernard Madoff kind - 5-10 years jail, compensation
9. Perjury - large fine, depending on circumstances
10. Trafficking/posession of any illegal drugs -large fine or community service for both. 20 years minimum for major exporters.
11. Counterfeit Items - large fine
12. Illegal entering or re-entry of a country - large fine, depending on circumstances (financial status of those caught)

[Strelok]

1. Murder

Depends on the way it was done to the victim and how old the victim was, and the criminal was. If you took a bat to the head, you should be put in some sort of prison to avoid harming other people and receive some mental help.

2. Manslaughter

Accidental should yield no punishment.

3. Rape

I know Rape causes extreme psychological damage for specific victims, but a decade should be the maximum punishment. Use micro-expression science when they get out to see if they still have....this kind of sexual fantasy. The main concern should be to protect the public from them.

4. Domestic Violence

Beaten to the same severity level, likely in jail to keep them from hurting others. Must stay away from the person who he/she abused or else face further punishment. Mental rehabilitation should be available if necessary.

5. Producing/Posessing/Distributing CP (Each in the order as they go)

Undecided.

6. Sexual Abuse

Depends. In some cases I would say no punishment.

7. Robbery

Definitely not jail time worthy or "destroy your life" worthy!

8. Scam's, like the Bernard Madoff kind

Financial ruin.

9. Perjury

Depends on what the result of it was.

10. Trafficking/posession of any illegal drugs (Each in the order as they go)

No punishment and then legalization.

11. Counterfeit Items

Not jail time worthy, but otherwise I'm unsure.
[QUOTE=Cool Story Brah;7009038]12. Illegal entering or re-entry of a country[/quote[No punishment and no deportation. the concept of "illegal" entry.

[Lordinquisitor]

[QUOTE=Cool Story Brah;7009038]Here they are as they follow... These are only the ones I know from the top of my head so far


Here they are as they follow... These are only the ones I know from the top of my head so far


1. Murder

Depends on the case. Without reason, death.

2. Manslaughter

Depends on the case. Without reason, death. Accidential= No punishment.

3. Rape

Death/Medical experiments

4. Domestic Violence

Don`t know- Maybe corporal punishment.

5. Producing/Posessing/Distributing CP (Each in the order as they go)

Medical experiments/death.

6. Sexual Abuse

Usually death. Maybe Corporal punishment.

7. Robbery

The convict needs to pay his debt back.


8. Scam's, like the Bernard Madoff kind

The convict needs to pay his debt back.

9. Perjury

No punishment.

10. Trafficking/posession of any illegal drugs (Each in the order as they go)

No punishment if those are clean drugs.

11. Counterfeit Items

The convict needs to pay his debt back.

12. Illegal entering or re-entry of a country

No punishment.

[Helm]

2. Manslaughter

Depends on the case. Without reason, death. Accidential= No punishment.

Manslaughter is meant to be accidental, but accidental while doing something you shouldn't have been doing. If you hit someone in a car while doing twice the speed limit that would count.

[Lordinquisitor]

Right, seems like i`m a bit sleepy. Oh well..

[Banana Jelly]

Lordinquisitor


Your very favored to death penalties. Even on minor, non violent crimes such as CP (Not saying it's good, but just not death or unusually long sentences required). Can you explain your reason? I can expect you to say death for producing, as the producer would a part of the sexual abuse, but what about posession? The possesser, didn't do anything violent did he? Nor the distributor.

The problem is you can't just say "50 years for murder" because it somewhat depends on the nature of the murder and the motivation behind it. Say a guy found a another man in bed with his and unintentionally ended up battering him to death? Would that still be 50 years?

Helm, that doesn't mean anything. That would be murder in the third degree. He still had his mind, and from his experience he know's that it would be murder. He could have just battered him, not to death, but till he is unable to fight back, and report to the police. Death is death. But since there are different variables, I said 50-life. That's why I didn't say life sentence only

Accidental should yield no punishment.

But the scenario Helm point's out is clear. If it is accidental in case where you had no control over it, as you aren't doing something wrong in the first place, should yield no punishment. But when you know you are doing something wrong, and that resulted in getting someone killed, by accident, should receive a sentence. But a manslaughter isn't just for accidental murders. It count's for murder's, not equal to a murder level sentence because of some variables.

[Helm]

Helm, that doesn't mean anything. That would be murder in the third degree. He still had his mind, and from his experience he know's that it would be murder. He could have just battered him, not to death, but till he is unable to fight back, and report to the police. Death is death. But since there are different variables, I said 50-life. That's why I didn't say life sentence only

Perhaps he only meant to batter him but he hit him slightly too hard in his anger. 50 years in this case would be a tad harsh I think. Besides 50 years would for anyone over say 30 probably would be a literal life sentence anyway.

[basics]

There has been nothing so controversial as the death penalty for as long as I can remember and that is a long time. When younger there was of course death by hanging and that was never far from great debate even then. And when parliament put a stop to it there was much approval perhaps because not that long before it was a woman who was hanged, Ruth Ellis I believe.

However as time has marched on as well as the population death has become much more prominant especially with the advent of immediate TV. Some may say that crime is down yet murder or death is an almost everyday occurrence and appears to be getting worse. I suppose the most annoying thing is that we witness some murderers being treated leniently by the judiciary when before their fate was final. It appears that we have jumped from one excess to another.

The old argument of mistaken identity appears to be the only block to a penalty of death and who can argue that is a good argument? What displeases me and worries a lot more is that justice is not served by assuming that somehow all murderers can be made good so let's dull down the sentence to the consternation of most law abiding people. This approach makes a mockery of the law and with some justification makes murder more easy to commit.

So without taking a life for a lost one, at least lock the murderer up for the rest of his or her life thus alleviating the need to kill if that makes any squeamish. If the killer can't take that then give him or her the opportunity of having themselves make the decision that we should inject them. The state is then free of any guilt and if a man or woman is innocent they will still be alive to fight their case. One way or another the law is seen to have worked.

[Lordinquisitor]

Lordinquisitor


Your very favored to death penalties. Even on minor, non violent crimes such as CP (Not saying it's good, but just not death or unusually long sentences required). Can you explain your reason? I can expect you to say death for producing, as the producer would a part of the sexual abuse, but what about posession? The possesser, didn't do anything violent did he? Nor the distributor.

Well, would no one want to watch child porn it woulnd`t be produced. Someone who`s watching such things encourages the making of more. Not to mention that the possessors of child porn got unhealthy tendencies..

I don`t say that everyone who watches CP would actually rape some kid (Some might watch it to satisfy their urges because they don`t want to hurt anybody..). Those people shoulnd`t get the death penality, in an ideal world. However, it`s very, very hard to determine whether the subject would be able to harm a child and thus they should be eliminated as well.

[Arch-hereticK]

However, it`s very, very hard to determine whether the subject would be able to harm a child and thus they should be eliminated as well.

Good 'ole thought crime.

"Thought crime does no entail death, thought crime is death."

[Sir Winston Churchill]

My opinions as follows:

1. Murder - Punishment depends on multiple factors.
2. Manslaughter - Again if any punishment depends on multiple factors.
3. Rape - Castration and/or elimination of sexual organs if possible. Extra punishment depends on multiple factors.
4. Domestic Violence - Loss of custody of any children, victim has right to immediately divorce/separate and retain all finances, criminal must wear at all times a tag which proclaims him/her to be what he/she is.
5. Producing/Posessing/Distributing CP (Each in the order as they go) - Producing: Banned from owning any media capturing device such as cameras, loss of custody of all children, banned from ever having custody or being in a position to be around children. 25-Life in prison. Possession: Up to 15 years in prison, loss of custody of all children, banned of being in a position to be around children, must wear visible mark/tag that proclaims person to have been in possession of Child Porn. Distributing: Up to 20 years in prison, banned from using any media device such as a computer.
6. Sexual Abuse - Same as rape with the loss of custody of all children.
7. Robbery - Must return or pay in value of stolen goods and any repair bills (windows, doors, etc.). Up to 10 years in prison.
8. Scam's, like the Bernard Madoff kind - Up to 60 years in prison. Must pay back all of victim(s)' loss. Permanent mark on record in which he/she must make known in any business advertisement at all, such as tv ads, cards, and in his general office in plain and bolded view.
9. Perjury - Up to 25 years depending on what the consequences of actions were/could have been. Never allowed to be a witness, juror, or anything else that depends on honesty.
10. Trafficking/posession of any illegal drugs (Each in the order as they go) - Trafficking: Up to 20 years in prison, ordered to be under house arrest with no access to communication devices such as phones or computers for up to 10 or more years.
11. Counterfeit Items - Must pay damages to company of counterfeit, up to 10 years in prison.
12. Illegal entering or re-entry of a country - Shipped to a completely different country, with country's permission.

[Banana Jelly]

Remember, there is no probation in the federal system.

Isaristh, what bother's me is that, such low punishment for rape is decided, but yet such a huge punishment for producing. What's the reasoning behind this? Shouldn't the person doing the act with the minor be sentenced to life, rather then the guy holding the video recorder? And the guy holding the video recorder be sentenced with the one you have rape? With the "extra punishment"?

Perhaps he only meant to batter him but he hit him slightly too hard in his anger. 50 years in this case would be a tad harsh I think. Besides 50 years would for anyone over say 30 probably would be a literal life sentence anyway.

Then it depend's on the situation and burden of proof. But if he proved he had a mental disorder, which makes him rage out of nowhere, then ofcourse you can lower the sentence. I put no minimum mandatory sentences in my range. But that's the reccomended minimum. The judge can lower it, if with reasonable proof.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Remember, there is no probation in the federal system.

Isaristh, what bother's me is that, such low punishment for rape is decided, but yet such a huge punishment for producing. What's the reasoning behind this? Shouldn't the person doing the act with the minor be sentenced to life, rather then the guy holding the video recorder? And the guy holding the video recorder be sentenced with the one you have rape? With the "extra punishment"?

Low punishment? The guy loses his dick, what could be worse than that? Not only can he not rape anyone else, but he has to pee out of a straw! What could be worse for a man hyped on sexual ego?

This is my thinking, the guy who does it with the minor, that's rape and falls under rape. Bad enough for him. The guy with the video camera made it possible that the act could be spread and seen for thousands of pedos to see. So he made it possible for someone to see it and get off sexually to it, and for that enabled thousands of other normal people to possibly become pedos themselves one day when downloading random porn. And the embarrassment factor for the raped is huge, because once something is on the internet it's there for good most of the time.

And as said, "extra punishment" could add in on the rapist. For instance, "extra punishment" could involve a man who brutally raped multiple boys, could have a stick shoved so far up his ass it comes out of his mouth. Just so he knows the feeling.

Of course, has I've been told countless times, that's just my "perverted over-the-edge" thinking. Take it or leave it.

[Banana Jelly]

Low punishment? The guy loses his dick, what could be worse than that? Not only can he not rape anyone else, but he has to pee out of a straw! What could be worse for a man hyped on sexual ego?

This is my thinking, the guy who does it with the minor, that's rape and falls under rape. Bad enough for him. The guy with the video camera made it possible that the act could be spread and seen for thousands of pedos to see. So he made it possible for someone to see it and get off sexually to it, and for that enabled thousands of other normal people to possibly become pedos themselves one day when downloading random porn. And the embarrassment factor for the raped is huge, because once something is on the internet it's there for good most of the time.

And as said, "extra punishment" could add in on the rapist. For instance, "extra punishment" could involve a man who brutally raped multiple boys, could have a stick shoved so far up his ass it comes out of his mouth. Just so he knows the feeling.

Of course, has I've been told countless times, that's just my "perverted over-the-edge" thinking. Take it or leave it.

So a punishment of the less should be given to the video taper, am I right? Since the man, by the logic, did the girl so everyone can see the video/picture? So why doesn't the video taper get his dick chopped off, or the man doing the minor, get his dick chopped off also? Distributing is the one that is given to millions of pedo's in the internet. The rapist, is the one who assaulted without consent. The video taper had no physical part in it, rather then he taped a faggot scene.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

So a punishment of the less should be given to the video taper, am I right? Since the man, by the logic, did the girl so everyone can see the video/picture? So why doesn't the video taper get his dick chopped off, or the man doing the minor, get his dick chopped off also? Distributing is the one that is given to millions of pedo's in the internet. The rapist, is the one who assaulted without consent. The video taper had no physical part in it, rather then he taped a faggot scene.

Except for the fact on video the man raped the victim once, whereas the video taper just made it possible for thousands of pedos to want more than just a video, and possibly rape themselves, thus making his victim count much higher.

[Banana Jelly]

Except for the fact on video the man raped the victim once, whereas the video taper just made it possible for thousands of pedos to want more than just a video, and possibly rape themselves, thus making his victim count much higher.

But the fact that the producer cant make it available to thousand of peoples, unless he is also indicted with distributing. He only makes it able, to be distributed. But, yes it's worse then distributing, but the fact, the possessor/distributor/producer doesn't do anything in physical harm, which would leave the minor in physical problem's, because he is not fully developed would be much more worse. That's also like today's justice system. The guy who did the process with the minor, they get 10-life, where the producer get's around 10-20, where the distributor get's 5-20, and possessor, get's a maximum of 10 year's, in real life.

[jman47]

1. Murder

with intent, motive, and premeditated- death penalty.

without intent, with motive, not premeditated (such as a man killing his wife and lover upon finding them together) Life in prison, no parole.

without intent, motive, or premeditation(such as murder while DUI, or just UI.) Life in prison, parole possibility after 25 years. (dui includes using cellphones. DUI= Driving under influence. that can be a drug or alchohol, or the influence of a technological device.

2. Manslaughter

probation - 5 years, depending on the severity of the situation.

3. Rape

Death penalty.

4. Domestic Violence

probation, and restricted from accessing victim until counseling is completed. (this crime can be charged to women as well, for acting violently towards their husband/boyfriend, if reported by said husband/boyfriend, instead of just one way.)

5. Producing/Posessing/Distributing CP (Each in the order as they go)

production/being in the film- death penalty.

possesion- probation with counseling for first offense, second offense 5 years prison with counseling, third offense life in prison, parole in 25 years with strict monitoring, conseling required for life.

distribution- life in prison, without parole. parole may be granted if distributor gives list of suppliers and customers.

6. Sexual Abuse

1st degree(person of majority with minor under age of 12, or any minority with evidence of force/noncompliance, trauma to victim, kidnapping, premeditated) - death penalty.

2nd degree(person of majority with minor over age 12, but under age 16, no signs of noncompliance, premeditated or otherwise) - 5-15 years depending on circumstance. lifetime conseling and monitoring once out of prison.

3rd degree(person of majority with minor 16 or older, no signs of noncompliance, premeditated or otherwise.) probation or court fees depending on the circumstances.

4th degree(majority with no knowledge other party was a minor) no penalty.

7. Robbery

probation-20 years depending on severity and dollar amount stolen, return of stolen property/goods.

8. Scam's, like the Bernard Madoff kind

20 years, repayment of stolen amounts, loss of business and sales licenses. probation for life after release.

9. Perjury

5 years.

10. Trafficking/possession of any illegal drugs (Each in the order as they go)

trafficking/dealing, possession with intent to deal- death penalty.

possession with intent to use, but not deal- probation with counseling to become clean. probation lasts until clean. subsequent offenses 1 year in a psychiatric ward with counseling until clean.

11. Counterfeit Items

Life in prison- parole in 25 years if able to pay back amount counterfeited.

12. Illegal entering or re-entry of a country

deportation and put on file that is held by border patrols and INS that leads to automatic deportation if found in country again.

[Helm]

I think dicks can be surgically replaced these days anyway, there are female to male sex change operations after all.