Uruks...lacking iniciative

**Comandertony** · March 22, 2010, 08:26 PM

iv been playing isengard for some time now and have always noticed that when the uruk hai heavy infantry get attacked or are attacking they dont do alot of attacking....for my case when in combat it takes them forever to actually attack the other unit. what i mean is when i see a rebel unit in combat with my heavy uruks the uruks do A LOT of defending...blocking and blocking and blocking until they either get a hit in or they succumb to there wounds from getting hit so many times...

yes they win but its because its a case of two on one because of there numbers.
but mostly they just stand there and parry. same thing with the general bodyguards.

they take alot of losses for a bodyguard unit.
just something iv noticed.. not that it really affects gameplay or is a problem but wondered if anybody else notices this with any other unit or faction units they may be playing with...i like to zoom in on the action...slow it down maybe

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please let me know....just curious.

**UberGrunt** · March 22, 2010, 09:26 PM

I've noticed that too. It really ticks me off when I see just a ton of Uruks just standing there with their shields up not going forward while I madly right-click the enemy target. This is highly noticeable in settlement battles (though I can understand the pathfinding sucks

) but still attack damn you! Be as aggressive as when I saw you in Helm's Deep kicking that elf (and man) ass!

**Comandertony** · March 22, 2010, 09:48 PM

thanks glad im not the only one.

**Smaug** · March 23, 2010, 01:52 AM

I've heard that Gondor Infantry Bodyguard has the same issue. Maybe increasing the animation frequency would help?

**Comandertony** · March 23, 2010, 02:07 AM

how you do that

**St Naffatun** · March 23, 2010, 03:10 AM

Isn't it a bonus when playing on very hard? I notice in settlement battles when defending, if I create a bottleneck at the gate, even with superior units, I get my a$$ kicked. So I might win the battle but the kill/death ratio of my men is always < 1.

I think you only really notice it when it's an elite unit that should perform better, when it's just militia getting creamed you kinda accept it.

**carth** · March 23, 2010, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by St Naffatun

I think you only really notice it when it's an elite unit that should perform better, when it's just militia getting creamed you kinda accept it.

true.

i've seen my Boromir been kicked and kicked overtime, the only reason i can keep him alive is because he got a lot of hitpoints. but we already talked about that in another thread.

i have no idea if this is intended of just something that havent been thinked of.

**Mikail Mengsk** · March 23, 2010, 06:58 AM

Dwarven bodyguards are killing machines, so they seems to overcome this bug and to be able to attack enemies much more times. Maybe there is a stat or values difference between them and "lame" bodyguards that can explain this bug.

**ArmoredSergeant** · March 23, 2010, 03:19 AM

It must be Isengard exclusive then, because I've never had a problem with Mordor Uruks bodyguard or independent.

**killerrabbit** · March 23, 2010, 10:26 AM

possible, but I indeed think it's strange that Gondor, Isengard and other infantry generals get beated the crap out of them, while dwarven generals seem to be working just fine.

**Hero of the West** · March 23, 2010, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by killerrabbit

possible, but I indeed think it's strange that Gondor, Isengard and other infantry generals get beated the crap out of them, while dwarven generals seem to be working just fine.

they will obviously have a higher defence skill (i guess)

**Mikail Mengsk** · March 23, 2010, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by patrician1

they will obviously have a higher defence skill (i guess)

...and so? :look: They are effective in attacking the enemy, while other generals seems to be unable to do.

**killerrabbit** · March 23, 2010, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by patrician1

they will obviously have a higher defence skill (i guess)

Then apply that to all generals, might become a bit unbalanced for dwarven generals that way, but I think it's worth the worthlesness of other infantry generals.

**Vandril** · March 23, 2010, 11:19 AM

there is an attack frequency stat in the EDU. Has anyone tried tinkering with it?

**Sulfurion Blackfyre** · March 23, 2010, 11:56 AM

Sorry, wrong thread, I don't know how my comment ended up here.

**Change** · March 23, 2010, 03:55 PM

Uruks are stupid! They're like "ooo, we are so good, we dare to go out in the sunlight!" But they're so stupid they don't know when to strike a blow!

**kynes** · March 23, 2010, 06:00 PM

the bad melee performance of boromir and other infantry generals has been discussed in this thread - http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=341851

it seems to be due to the generals lacking a block animation (so they keep getting hit over and over). Rather than their defence skill. but if dwarven generals fight well then maybe there is more to it ....

**catking2003** · March 23, 2010, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by kynes

the bad melee performance of boromir and other infantry generals has been discussed in this thread - http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=341851

it seems to be due to the generals lacking a block animation (so they keep getting hit over and over). Rather than their defence skill. but if dwarven generals fight well then maybe there is more to it ....

I think the OP is talking about bodyguard fighting defensively not just the general.

however, i don't observe a similar problem as my ally isengard general's bodyguard fight quite fiercely.