Should US Foreign Policy Towards Russia be more Friendlier?

[Exarch]

what do you think?

US foreign policy ever since the cold war has always been one of antagonism towards russia-even to the point of encouraging colour revolutions in the russian periphery.
Should this change?

Discuss

[Treize]

In my opinion the awnser is yes.

[Tiberios]

In my opinion the awnser is yes.

same here.

Question to the OP:

Should Russian Foreign Policy Towards the United States be more friendlier?

Indeed it should.


For me it's quite easy. The US should lay off on pissing russia off and Russia should quit the kindergarten attitude and face the realiity that they are no longer a superpower.
Seriously the US and Russia are acting like two spoiled kids in a kindergarten sometimes.

[Fluttershy]

what do you think?

US foreign policy ever since the cold war has always been one of antagonism towards russia-even to the point of encouraging colour revolutions in the russian periphery.
Should this change?

Discuss

Should Russia stop pretending its still a superpower and stop antagonizing the west?

[Exarch]

Should Russia stop pretending its still a superpower and stop antagonizing the west?

define antagonism?
plus, ever since the south ossetian war, ppl have been saying 'russia's baaack' etc

[Norge]

define antagonism?
plus, ever since the south ossetian war, ppl have been saying 'russia's baaack' etc

lol. You mean the "war" where less than 100 soldiers died on both sides?

[GeneralL]

define antagonism?
plus, ever since the south ossetian war, ppl have been saying 'russia's baaack' etc

Oh, not another one please

Half of the Russian command staff complaned about the disorganised and poorly performed operation commited by a force of a Russian army which since 1990 prepared and was on the ready to be engaged with any conflicts involving Georgia. Despite the fact that the Ruskis for more than 15 years familiarized themselves with the entire region and knew all strategic districts, positions, military facilities, tactics, equipement and the overall strenght of the Armed Forces of Georgia, they had to fully rely on their heavy artillery, outdated Air Force and cheer numbers of outdated armour .... and used all of it in an extraorinry quick and devastating way to once and for all, show the world how powerfully the Russian army is. Well, the problem is that the Georgians resisted in the first days but then ceasefired due to the massive Russian response which changed into an all out war with the possibility of a takeover of the entire country. In that time period, the Russians and their criminal comrads suffered a lot of casaulties as defending force.

Make your own picture of it ..... 20 years of preparations against a peanut sized country in comparision with an armed forces of 18.000 soldiers and 2.000 officers. The Georgian Army may lost a few soldiers more than the Russian Army which used ballistic short range missiles, heavy MLRS, it's air superiority and long range artillery but that is just pathetic.

Prove your strenght by attacking a force which is equaly strong and not outarmoured by 30-1, outflanked from 3 directions and outmanouvered, but still has the gutts to face you in field combat.

[Oklop]

Oh, not another one please

Half of the Russian command staff complaned about the disorganised and poorly performed operation commited by a force of a Russian army which since 1990 prepared and was on the ready to be engaged with any conflicts involving Georgia. Despite the fact that the Ruskis for more than 15 years familiarized themselves with the entire region and knew all strategic districts, positions, military facilities, tactics, equipement and the overall strenght of the Armed Forces of Georgia, they had to fully rely on their heavy artillery, outdated Air Force and cheer numbers of outdated armour .... and used all of it in an extraorinry quick and devastating way to once and for all, show the world how powerfully the Russian army is. Well, the problem is that the Georgians resisted in the first days but then ceasefired due to the massive Russian response which changed into an all out war with the possibility of a takeover of the entire country. In that time period, the Russians and their criminal comrads suffered a lot of casaulties as defending force.

They are familiar with the region for centuries now. Russian empire and Soviet Union both held it. They did not prepare for years to attack as before Saakashvili Georgia was not pro-NATO and anti-Russian.

The whole battalion of paratroopers held for entire day against overwhelming Georgian force, and was attacked in the back by the Georgian peacekeeper battalion stationed there under the same UN resolution (imagine that, evil Russians allowed Georgians to have peacekeeper force in S.Ossetia.) and still held, with no tanks or heavy artilery.

Georgians resisted in the first hours but when they realised that Russia is in fact going to fight, they retreated which is quite sensible on their side.

Make your own picture of it ..... 20 years of preparations against a peanut sized country in comparision with an armed forces of 18.000 soldiers and 2.000 officers. The Georgian Army may lost a few soldiers more than the Russian Army which used ballistic short range missiles, heavy MLRS, it's air superiority and long range artillery but that is just pathetic.

Make your picture, you have 20.000 troops and decide to attack Russia? That must be one of the stupidest moves ever. Especialy as neither Saakashlivi not his defence minister had no experiance in the Army. I beleive that they did not even serve in the army. THAT is stupid.

Prove your strenght by attacking a force which is equaly strong and not outarmoured by 30-1, outflanked from 3 directions and outmanouvered, but still has the gutts to face you in field combat.

Russians did not in fact outnumber Georgians on the field except in the air. And even if they did, I must again point to the stupidity, of attacking a foe 30 times stronger. Especialy as Chechnia is across the border and there must be a decent rapid reaction force there, outdated as it is. And please do point when did any decent army fought equal force? The whole point of war is to fight as unfair and as unequal as possible, figting fair is to invite casualties on your own side. If anithing Russia showed remarcable restraint in the whole sad affair, and incredible control of the "russian rape/loot/pillage/burn hordes" as they are usualy depicted in the western media.

But back on topic, yes I beleive US foreign policy towards Russia should be more friendly. After all it is incredibly friendly with medevial style dictatorships that are under Sharia law rule, where most of the population hates America and all that it stands for. And I bet most of the support and financing of Al Qaeda comes from those dictatorships.

What did Russia do to harm US From 1990s to now? Nothing.

[Exarch]

russians are a proud ppl, but the facts as i see it are that russia is no longer the soviet union; it is no longer a superpower, but despite this, why do think tanks and politicians in the US treat russia with as much paranoia and suspicion as before?
this is something i can never understand.

[GeneralL]

They are familiar with the region for centuries now. Russian empire and Soviet Union both held it. They did not prepare for years to attack as before Saakashvili Georgia was not pro-NATO and anti-Russian.

No, the Russian North-Caucasus Army district is since 1991 trained and prepared for any military actions in Caucasus. A rapid reaction force for any measures and especially since 2003, they are on highest alert. I remember some 4-5 giant miltiary exercises since 2005 alone.

The whole battalion of paratroopers held for entire day against overwhelming Georgian force, and was attacked in the back by the Georgian peacekeeper battalion stationed there under the same UN resolution (imagine that, evil Russians allowed Georgians to have peacekeeper force in S.Ossetia.) and still held, with no tanks or heavy artilery.

Yep, exactly. The evil Georgian MC troopers who were constantly under fire by Russian MC coordinated South-Ossetian mortar attacks and suffered casaulties, one day, instead of deciding to once strike back by firing upon these positions which "tragically" were manned by the same Russian officers who performed these attacks, should have waited scratching their eggs and just watch how the Ruskis and their criminal comrads continued to play "I not guilty, invisible mortar shells, no my fault".

Georgians resisted in the first hours but when they realised that Russia is in fact going to fight, they retreated which is quite sensible on their side.

Look, I'll make it easy for you to understand ...... "Chechnya = ruins"

Make your picture, you have 20.000 troops and decide to attack Russia? That must be one of the stupidest moves ever. Especialy as neither Saakashlivi not his defence minister had no experiance in the Army. I beleive that they did not even serve in the army. THAT is stupid.

They had no piece of knowledge about the word "war". It was a catastrophy. A desastrous catastrophy for the entire nation and it's history.

The only reason why the morale of the Georgian army shattered so fast is, that the entire bulk of servicemen was practically sent togheter in a centre, where the Russian aircrafts pierced them like hornets, everywhere they saw a green dot on the ground and even rally points of wounded were hit.

No signs of any tactics, where were the tactics ???? No groups, no formations. All 3 of 5 brigades were sent in a massive bulk towards one point. It would have been a complete different story if the Georgian army was not such an easy target ....

Russians did not in fact outnumber Georgians on the field except in the air.

And even if they did, I must again point to the stupidity, of attacking a foe 30 times stronger. Especialy as Chechnia is across the border and there must be a decent rapid reaction force there, outdated as it is. And please do point when did any decent army fought equal force? The whole point of war is to fight as unfair and as unequal as possible, figting fair is to invite casualties on your own side. If anithing Russia showed remarcable restraint in the whole sad affair, and incredible control of the "russian rape/loot/pillage/burn hordes" as they are usualy depicted in the western media.

No. How I wrote, outarmoured, .... not outnumbered. You do not have to outnumber an enemy by even only 10 men more when you have full air superiority, thousands of vehicles and artillery/missile pieces, the enemy would never be able to counter.

If someone outnumbers you only with human resources and nothing else as the attacking side, you still have a great chance to beat him back by tactics as the defender with an amount of geographical, material ( supplies ) and moralic advantiges. That is something way different and a luxury the Georgians didn't had. They were attacked by the Russian Navy from the west, the Russian Air Force and practically by two fully operational armoured divisions from the north-western and north-eastern side, outvehicleling the Georgian Armed Forces by 30-1

[Koelkastmagneet]

Should Russia stop pretending its still a superpower and stop antagonizing the west?

Uhm, Russia's policy isn't that different from the US policy.

[Fluttershy]

Uhm, Russia's policy isn't that different from the US policy.

DING DING DING.

[Koelkastmagneet]

DING DING DING.

So being a superpower entitles you to be a dick and completely disregard human rights?

Both Russia and the US are at fault.

[Boyar Son]

So being a superpower entitles you to be a dick and completely disregard human rights?

Both Russia and the US are at fault.

well being a dick ain't so bad.

See, there's three kinds of people: Dicks, pussies, and as. Pussies think everyone can get along and dicks just wanna screw all the time without thinking it through. But then you got your as, Dutch Guy. And all the as want is to screw all over everything. So pussies may get mad at dick once in a while because pussies get screwed by dicks. But dicks also screw as, Chuck. And if they didn't screw the as, you know what you'd get? You'd get your dick and your pussy all covered in feces."

[Heathen Hammer]

Should Russia stop pretending its still a superpower and stop antagonizing the west?

Should US stop pretending that it is some sort of "world police" and stop antagonizing other countries?

[GeneralL]

Should US stop pretending that it is some sort of "world police" and stop antagonizing other countries?

Both governments are likely seeing themselves as the only world dominating community. The US is seeing forward to seek a central headquarters with ressource, trade and communication routs all across the globe. A central power in the world, which it is not today. Russia is like a country rapidly falling into much worse conditions than a week before but with much higher ambitions than it's counterpart .... and what is interesting and shocking, with a very totalitarian kind of dominance visions. World dominance with full control over the entire human race. This imperialistic idea is still anchored, wheter it is impossible to achieve or not. Of course Russia will never be able to rise like in sovjet times. That era is over, but still assumed by most Russian "politicians" who base all their strategies and analysis on that one great redicilious POV what is unbelievable damaging for the Russian Federation, since the downfall of the sovjet union.

Don't be surprised of such an image please. The built up their own pile of and now have to clean it up. I highly suggest to start by completly cleaning up the regime the Russians have to suffer under .... and that has to happen as soon as possible, before it is too late for anything now!

For the US, if the US continue this aggressive stand against anyone who opposes US ambitions and missions around the glove, it will be surrounded by enemies soon or later. There is not only the "US WAY", where all other countries are just sattelite states or just allies.

IMO, Russia has the duty to make a first step towards the west and finnaly democracy and if this has to happen with the way of revolution ! Come on Russia, show the world that you are not to be ruled by incompetent ambitionists and traitors.

[Salvatorel]

Should US stop pretending that it is some sort of "world police" and stop antagonizing other countries?

Well,I have a better idea,just give long range nuclear missiles with apropriate launching equipment to every country,including micro states and imperialism will be finished once and for all

[Thorn777]

God that was awful, hope mom and the elementary-teacher of the person you quoted are proud.

[Lucas the Great]

Definitely shouldn't be... Although the Soviet Union fell over 20 yrs ago, Russia still pretends to be a superpower and considers Central Europe and Caucasus its influence zones. The latest events like the invasion of Georgia or conflict with Estonia over the Soviet soldier statue clearly show that Russia doesn't understand the fact that some countries like Poland, Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia etc. are no longer its provinces or vassal-states and they want to have their own policy.
More friendly American policy will be similar to the policy of "appeasement" before the Second World War or "detente" during the Cold War.


The good thing is that the so-called Russian empire is going weaker and weaker... It's army has serious problems with organisation.

[Caelius]

Question to the OP:

Should Russian Foreign Policy Towards the United States be more friendlier?