The Psychiatric Industry

[Carpathian Wolf]

A sort of "Plato not Prozac" that's very interesting. I really agree with him and I noticed many of these things too when I studied pscyhology. Luckily my professor wasn't some strict, up his own rear, Freudian.

[MaximiIian]

One of my friends is majoring in psychology, and aiming for a degree in clinical psych. She is very much against psychiatry because it takes the wrong approach to psychological issues. It goes for temporary reprieve with medication, usually by medical doctors that couldn't make the cut in clinical psychology, rather than really treating the problem in a case.

[swabian]

Don't listen to people who think they are right where a whole scientific branch is wrong. Psychotropic drugs may be prescribed falsely in some cases, just like any drug may be prescribed falsely sometimes, but psychiatry certainly cannot be proven wrong by some students personal taste or by the mere fact that physicians can make errors too (and they can be incompetent although they graduated).

[removeduser_052420]

Don't listen to people who think they are right where a whole scientific branch is wrong. Psychotropic drugs may be prescribed falsely in some cases, just like any drug may be prescribed falsely sometimes, but psychiatry certainly cannot be proven wrong by some students personal taste or by the mere fact that physicians can make errors too (and they can be incompetent although they graduated).

Agreed 100%.

[Carpathian Wolf]

Don't listen to people who think they are right where a whole scientific branch is wrong. Psychotropic drugs may be prescribed falsely in some cases, just like any drug may be prescribed falsely sometimes, but psychiatry certainly cannot be proven wrong by some students personal taste or by the mere fact that physicians can make errors too (and they can be incompetent although they graduated).

So you admit you didn't watch the video because that isn't really what he says.

[Burnum]

I really agree with him and I noticed many of these things too when I studied pscyhology

It's total absolute nonsense, it isn't supported by any scientific evidence what's so ever, it's the ramblings of a crackpot.

I work regularly with people that have varying degrees of Psychosis. One man stabbed a police officer because he was convinced they were spying on him, tell me, what spiritual truths did this sick man have?

One of my friends is majoring in psychology, and aiming for a degree in clinical psych

She isn't a clinical psychologist yet, so I wouldn't take her word yet.

She is very much against psychiatry because it takes the wrong approach to psychological issues.

What is the right approach?

It goes for temporary reprieve with medication,

What else is there? Psychosis is most often a chemical imbalance in the brain, it's a disease. Sometimes, no amount of therapy can convince a sick that NSA aren't bugging his home.

usually by medical doctors that couldn't make the cut in clinical psychology

I starting to suspect that your friend has no idea what she's talking about, if she can make statements like that.

[Elfdude]

One of my friends is majoring in psychology, and aiming for a degree in clinical psych. She is very much against psychiatry because it takes the wrong approach to psychological issues. It goes for temporary reprieve with medication, usually by medical doctors that couldn't make the cut in clinical psychology, rather than really treating the problem in a case.

Are you serious?

While I admit that there are better drugs out there *coughmarijuanacough* for many psychological disorders psychiatry is quite useful. You can't imagine what it's like to constantly hallucinate, nor can you understand what it's like to be deluded completely and believe it.

Oh wait you're a polytheist who's had personal religious experiences.

P.S IMO Psychiatry is much more difficult than clinical psychology.

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Both psychiatry and psychology are stupid and shallow. And yes, murderers should be hanged.

[swabian]

And no one cares about the ignorance of cocky teenagers who want to play conservative or something.

[Taiji]

Swabian is correct, the guy being interviewed does appear to be a crackpot.

I think the video should be a source of embarassment for Orthodox Christians.

And contrary to the 'spirit' of the interview, I'd suggest that you probably don't want to start conversations with a schizophrenic about spiritual matters unless you want to see a psychotic episode. Seriously.

[bushbush]

agreeing with youtube nuts versus studying it in universities and reading research papers?

[centurion1]

lolz

[Carpathian Wolf]

Some of you havn't even watched the video. Most of the interview is him reading and quoting RD Liang and David Cooper. The basic argument is that Psychiatrists by their nature place themselves above their patient which keeps adding onto the problem. And that someone like this has to work on keeping people below them in order to maintain their living and status quo. You who are disconsidering people are exactly the same as those psychiatrists.

[swabian]

Oh my... [generic facepalm picture]

[Carpathian Wolf]

Brilliant contribution.

[Squiggle]

I assume there are a lot of people out who get pills when they dont need it, as with just basic therapy [or even dietary changes] its possible to be avoided. Nevertheless I know from my Mom's experience that sometimes there simply is basic, fundamental chemical imbalances that must be offset by the use of drugs, so while the potential abuse of the system can be criticized, it cant be feared simply out of necessity.

[FreeRadical]

I have read that CBT or cognitive behavior therapy is very helpful and just as helpful as meds.I am of the opinion that CBT should be used first for a patient with a mental condition.However,tell me if I a wrong,but meds are quicker acting than CBT.You have someone suicidal, and you would want to treat them as quickly as possible.The problem with meds though, is that they don't treat the cause or source of the problem.Its more like masking the issues,and the patient may have to be on drugs for the rest of his life,because his issues aren't being dealt with directly.

That being said, that doctor in the video is not very convincing.He has a doctorate degree,as many others who disagree with him,but the way he acts in that video is somewhat offputting.Quite frankly he looks like he is on crank or speed.Shifting around constantly,eyes bulging out of his skull,and in contrast the interviewer being calm,placid may have something to do with it-lol

[Squiggle]

Freeradical: As far as I know Cognitive behavior therapy is often used in conjunction with medication. Mental health is a never ending process for anyone with a mental/personality disorder, and there isn't just one way to alleviate the issues. For example, I know many people with bipolar/borderline personality disorder and they take pills to stabilize certain elements of their personality, though still do CBT in order to further help themselves. Pills are rarely a cure all. They dramatically help, but they have their own side affects and issues, etc.

Edit: Especially since I think its something like 60% of people with a personality disorder have a second one as well, so often you *must* go to therapy even if medication is completely effective in regards to another issue.

[Burnum]

I have read that CBT or cognitive behavior therapy is very helpful and just as helpful as meds.

Only for certain conditions like Mood, Anxiety disorders and social phobias. It's more often then not used in conjunction with medication.

[Elfdude]

If we change this argument from psychiatric drugs don't work to there's techniques that work better maybe the OP would have a point.

Cognitive Behavior Therapy, Biofeedback and even some illegal drugs *coughmarijuanacough* are far more effective than psychiatric drugs and don't have the same debilitating side-effects of the typical drugs. It is no secret that 'big medicine' is pushing more drugs with less research because of their deep pockets.

Ideally, no one would be taking psychiatric drugs for typical behavior problems unless a significant risk of suicide is present; even if there is risk Medical Marijuana for these problems is much more effective and carries (as to yet) no discovered permanent side-effects. However there's not much alternative for the more extreme psychological disorders.