Scottish Bagpipes and Kilts brought form Ireland???

[EireEmerald]

Just want clarification on this. I saw it on some program where a question was asked " name three original Scottish Items " and someone said kilt and bagpipe and got it wrong, both said to be brought from Ireland. I found a few sources but just want clarification and more info.

http://www.albanach.org/kilt.html

[Helm]

It's no great surprise seeing the Scots came from Ireland originally.

[Londinium]

It's no great surprise seeing the Scots came from Ireland originally.

Kinda but that's like saying the English came only from Germania, it's more complex than that. The Scottish are a mixture of indigineous Picts (descended from the Caledonians of Roman days), Irish/Gaelic immigrants and Anglo-Saxons in the lowlands. Thats why Lowland Scottish are much closer in culture and language to the English than the Highland Scots.

[Poach]

I believe Haggis is also originally from Greece, and tartan only became popular in the Victorian age. Almost all Scottish medieval history is fabricated or overstated in one way or another, unfortunately.

[Edelward]

Celtic Harp originates already from proto-Celtic Hallstatt culture they ,as Greeks too, got influenced by Thracians ,who were the masters of it and already were making some music theories(-<>-Druids,subdivision Bards) .I can't right away name mention Thracian music theories ,but they are possible to find for anyone who cares. Take for example Harmony,
Pythagorean tuning .I am not saying that Pythagorus took it directly from Thrace,but Pythagorus was much into Thracian legacy
so much indeed that we have term Orphean-Pythagorean mystisicm .

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The Pythagoreans are known for their theory of the transmigration of souls, and also for their theory that numbers constitute the true nature of things. They performed purification rites and followed and developed various rules of living which they believed would enable their souls to achieve a higher rank among the gods. Much of their mysticism concerning the soul seems inseparable from the Orphic tradition.

The Pythagorean idea that whole numbers and harmonic (pleasing) sounds are intimately connected in music are also in tune to Thracian originated Orhism.He was much into Orphism to the point that later generations of Greeks and Romans reverted it all making the priceless legend:
Pythagaros slave Zalmoxis/eventually name of Thracian deity/ visits Gaul Druids in Massila and teaches them the theory of soul re-incarnation .Ofc in real life it was sooner like that Pythagorus learns reincarnation from Thracians ;
proto-Celtics of Hallstatt are neighbours of Westernmost Thracians ,both mentioned ethnicities are in turn under the cultural supremacy of Westernmost Cimmerians ,who are in turn descendents of proto-Iranics ,who achieved high level of culture 2 thousands years before Christ in Southern Russia from where they launched the expansions mostly succeful in Northern India,where they leave the very developed theory of re-incarnation,philosophically explained too; while Celts ,who heard about it from Cimmero-Thracians have re-incarnation theory as simple folk-tales ,without any speculation involved .
Altough I don't want to chain the Cimbri - Welsh theory into it ,Celtic,mainly Irish sources remember Cimmeria-Scythia and project more positive attitude them.Saying things like-Culture came initially from Scythia,who educated Babylon in it.Remarcably different from Roman centered point of view we forced to share-200 km north from Rome savagery begins. So even if Cymru has nothing to do with Cimbri ,Humber estuary might for it is Germanic spelling of Cimbri ,and Himmer,the ancient province in Denmark is Germanic spelling of Cimmri.Grimm's Law.Admittedly Cimmerian is Latin for Greek have used Kimbroi
Which was all said to spend attention not only on Iberian legacy but also Thraco-Cimmerian one

I believe Haggis is also originally from Greece, and tartan only became popular in the Victorian age. Almost all Scottish medieval history is fabricated or overstated in one way or another, unfortunately.

Tartan was also found amongst the dissolved European tribe in North China - Tocharians.
Conclusion it was known for quite some time .
The pic is of Tocharian at the left ,not of tartan

[removeduser_487563287433]

Just want clarification on this. I saw it on some program where a question was asked " name three original Scottish Items " and someone said kilt and bagpipe and got it wrong, both said to be originally from Ireland. I found a few sources but just want clarification and more info.

http://www.albanach.org/kilt.html

Uh... kilts are typically from the English Victorian tourist trade and Sir Walter Scot. Bagpipes are used all over the place, from Africa to Asia.

Not everything is Irish, Eire.

[EireEmerald]

Uh... kilts are typically from the English Victorian tourist trade and Sir Walter Scot. Bagpipes are used all over the place, from Africa to Asia.

Not everything is Irish, Eire.

I heard this on British tv while i was in Bath, I was just curious. And I knew that bagpipes originally came from somewhere in the middle east or Africa but the thread was opened out of curiosity in finding out whether or not kilts and bagpipes were brought to Scotland from Ireland.

Southern Comfort is whiskey for girls. (Or people who don't like the taste of real whiskey, that includes myself)

[tonymurphy1888]

I heard this on British tv while i was in Bath, I was just curious. And I knew that bagpipes originally came from somewhere in the middle east or Africa but the thread is about kilts and bagpipes being brought to Scotland from Ireland.

You could credit Ireland with alot it a very smart country you dont have to steal Scotlands thunder lol

[EireEmerald]

You could credit Ireland with alot it a very smart country you dont have to steal Scotlands thunder lol

It isn't about stealing Scotlands thunder if its true.

The bagpipes were introduced to Scotland from Ireland. The Scots added a third drone (see below) and applied their own tartans to the bags. Village musicians may have first used the bagpipes and drums to entertain; the pipes were also played at funerals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Scots

http://www.worsleyschool.net/sociala...ipes/page.html

[Arch-hereticK]

double

[pwf224]

Reminds me a funny joke I came across some time ago....

The Irish invented bagpipes and gave them to the Scots as a joke, but the Scots haven't seen the joke yet...

Note: This is a joke and not meant to be presented as factual. Unfortunately I have to give this disclaimer so all the miserable ppl stalking these threads don't jump on my back

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Bagpipes, for one thing, are probably associated with Celtic expansion. In Northern Portugal and parts of Spain, they exist as a traditional folk instrument.

http://www.gaitaasturiana.com/en/gaita-faqs/

[removeduser_487563287433]

Odd that you get bagpipes in Ancient Greece and Persia, then.

[athanaric]

Odd that you get bagpipes in Ancient Greece and Persia, then.

They had contacts with the Celts, too.

[removeduser_487563287433]

They had contacts with the Celts, too.

This is a bit before that. It's far more likely that the ancestor of the instrument was invented very, very deep in prehistory and that's why you get it pretty much everywhere in some form.

[cpdwane]

Bagpipes are very common among the Celtic Nations of western Europe, for example Brittany has them, as does the Isle of Man, Cornwall, Ireland (both Ulster and Southern Ireland), Whales, Austurias, Cantabria and Gallicia in Spain, and certain regions of England. I don't know as much about Tartan, but bear in mind that Ireland (particularly Northern Ireland) has had a long history of people coming over from Ireland spanning right back to the dark ages, eg. the Gallolaich, so the two cultures have always been mixing.

[tonymurphy1888]

We didnt really invent anything "Scottish" we just took it and made it sooo much better e.g whiskey, bagpipes, haggis... Ever notice the Irish invented whiskey, but its just not quite Scottish enough. Were like the heinz beans of beans.

[Dodge]

We didnt really invent anything "Scottish" we just took it and made it sooo much better e.g whiskey, bagpipes, haggis... Ever notice the Irish invented whiskey, but its just not quite Scottish enough. Were like the heinz beans of beans.

The Americans do it better (Southern Comfort).

[Yorkshireman]

The Americans do it better (Southern Comfort).

Southern Comfort is whiskey for girls. (Or people who don't like the taste of real whiskey, that includes myself)

[Dodge]

Southern Comfort is whiskey for girls. (Or people who don't like the taste of real whiskey, that includes myself)

Ha ha, me too.