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    Israel is a relatively new nation in that part of the world and till this day Israel stands and is a major force despite the enemy like relations with most of its larger, Muslim neighbors. Looking at such a small country located in a sea of relative enemies one would expect Israel to have been destroyed a long time ago. However, Israel today stands strong and its excellent military is able to pressure off most of its larger enemies. So why has the enemies of Israel which are much larger failed in subduing Israel? I think there are few factors for this:

    1) Muslim world is not united
    2) Israel's army is very efficient, very well trained, and very well armed
    3) Great amount of support from very large Jewish diaspora
    4) Israelis are very determined in the preservation of their state
    5) West won't allow fall of Israel
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    Good points. The disunity amongst the Arab world & failure of their military, as well as the massive support from the USA, has left us with a festering sore in the Middle East which is bad for everyone. Sure Israel exisists but there will never be peace, no matter how strong the IDF is. Not the peace you want for your kids to grow up in.

    I am not one who calls for the destruction of the state but surely things cannot go on as they are. You say the West won't allow Israel to fall & you may be right but I don't think it should be or is a West versus Islam kind of thing. Arabic people are humans too & deserve rights as everyone else does.

    Anyway, I think your points make sense. As a fan of North Africa & Arab culture - the current situation saddens me, maddens me & makes me angry in equal measure.

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    Israel is a modern Sparta, or maybe Prussia. the economy is extremly efficaint for the amount of land they have, and pretty much everyone has to serve. their populattion is WAY more militantly patriotic than Americas, any they aren't afraid to take losses like most of its allies. they have extremely efficient, well armed and well trained assassins, soldiers, airmen, and officers. that and we give them money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knight of virtue and valor View Post
    Israel is a modern Sparta, or maybe Prussia. the economy is extremly efficaint for the amount of land they have, and pretty much everyone has to serve. their populattion is WAY more militantly patriotic than Americas, any they aren't afraid to take losses like most of its allies. they have extremely efficient, well armed and well trained assassins, soldiers, airmen, and officers. that and we give them money.
    Israel gets billions in funding from the USA, that isn't an efficient economy





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    Quote Originally Posted by uzi716 View Post
    Israel gets billions in funding from the USA, that isn't an efficient economy
    That would be true maybe until 20 years ago. But the truth is today Israel is an efficient economy which can still fend off for itself even if the financial aid from the US stopped.

    Now the most important thing Israel needs from the US is the political aid.


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    They've been able to outgun and out-think their enemies over the course of history when they've been in the form of other nations. Winning the fight against the Palestinians is not hard when you have overwhelming firepower and loose ROE.

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    Israel's just as bad as Nazi Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cupoftea View Post
    Israel's just as bad as Nazi Germany.
    Oh my god are you serious?! I knew people like you existed, but I'd never have suspected them to be in the TWC forums! Do you have any idea how insulting that is? I can't even start to explain how terrible that statement was, it makes me want to puke and lose my faith in humanity! How about you think before you post such anti-semetic bull on the internet? I doubt you'd have the guts to say that if you wouldn't have the anonymous screen that is the internet. I cannot even begin to express my frustration, this is really not a laughing matter, how ing dare you? Argh!
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    Both male and female walruses have tusks and have been observed using these overgrown teeth to help pull themselves out of the water.

    The mustached and long-tusked walrus is most often found near the Arctic Circle, lying on the ice with hundreds of companions. These marine mammals are extremely sociable, prone to loudly bellowing and snorting at one another, but are aggressive during mating season. With wrinkled brown and pink hides, walruses are distinguished by their long white tusks, grizzly whiskers, flat flipper, and bodies full of blubber.
    Walruses use their iconic long tusks for a variety of reasons, each of which makes their lives in the Arctic a bit easier. They use them to haul their enormous bodies out of frigid waters, thus their "tooth-walking" label, and to break breathing holes into ice from below. Their tusks, which are found on both males and females, can extend to about three feet (one meter), and are, in fact, large canine teeth, which grow throughout their lives. Male walruses, or bulls, also employ their tusks aggressively to maintain territory and, during mating season, to protect their harems of females, or cows.
    The walrus' other characteristic features are equally useful. As their favorite meals, particularly shellfish, are found near the dark ocean floor, walruses use their extremely sensitive whiskers, called mustacial vibrissae, as detection devices. Their blubbery bodies allow them to live comfortably in the Arctic region—walruses are capable of slowing their heartbeats in order to withstand the polar temperatures of the surrounding waters.
    The two subspecies of walrus are divided geographically. Atlantic walruses inhabit coastal areas from northeastern Canada to Greenland, while Pacific walruses inhabit the northern seas off Russia and Alaska, migrating seasonally from their southern range in the Bering Sea—where they are found on the pack ice in winter—to the Chukchi Sea. Female Pacific walruses give birth to calves during the spring migration north.
    Only Native Americans are currently allowed to hunt walruses, as the species' survival was threatened by past overhunting. Their tusks, oil, skin, and meat were so sought after in the 18th and 19th centuries that the walrus was hunted to extinction in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and around Sable Island, off the coast of Nova Scotia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodguy1066 View Post
    Oh my god are you serious?! I knew people like you existed, but I'd never have suspected them to be in the TWC forums! Do you have any idea how insulting that is? I can't even start to explain how terrible that statement was, it makes me want to puke and lose my faith in humanity! How about you think before you post such anti-semetic bull on the internet? I doubt you'd have the guts to say that if you wouldn't have the anonymous screen that is the internet. I cannot even begin to express my frustration, this is really not a laughing matter, how ing dare you? Argh!


    What an amazing reaction. israel is like Nazi Germany, they are keeping Arabs in concentration camps or "the West Bank" and "Gaza".

    What do you think of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adhamh Ashashi View Post


    What an amazing reaction. israel is like Nazi Germany, they are keeping Arabs in concentration camps or "the West Bank" and "Gaza".

    What do you think of that?
    Yeah and they also have their little racist apartheid wall going. Then they try to hide behind the events of WW2. BAWW we are victims and god's chosen, we can do what we want. WTF

    It was hilarious how the "jewish community" of Europe wanted to increase the amount of information about holocaust in the schools after they heard that the anti-semitism is rising in Europe. LMAO! That trick won't work for long anymore and their sympathy points are running out. Also, Iran has a little surprise preparing. Maybe it will end their undeserved reign in Middle-East. He he he...

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    This thread is just disgusting.
    Sigh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodguy1066 View Post
    Oh my god are you serious?! I knew people like you existed, but I'd never have suspected them to be in the TWC forums! Do you have any idea how insulting that is? I can't even start to explain how terrible that statement was, it makes me want to puke and lose my faith in humanity! How about you think before you post such anti-semetic bull on the internet? I doubt you'd have the guts to say that if you wouldn't have the anonymous screen that is the internet. I cannot even begin to express my frustration, this is really not a laughing matter, how ing dare you? Argh!
    lol
    isreal is worst than Nazi

    if u read the book which hitler wrote he said :
    i didn't kill all the jews so u know why i did that
    and now we see what they r doing in palasteen

    and yeah it's usa what keeps isreal ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by memo View Post
    lol
    isreal is worst than Nazi

    if u read the book which hitler wrote he said :
    i didn't kill all the jews so u know why i did that
    and now we see what they r doing in palasteen

    and yeah it's usa what keeps isreal ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cupoftea View Post
    Israel's just as bad as Nazi Germany.
    you have no facts to back this up with.

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    Israel can be aggressive with the Palestinians (e.g. Gaza War) but can you blame them when from all different sides terrorists/militants want to attack Israel? One must not forget how many times suicide bombers have killed innocent civilians in Israel which in my opinion is a much more cowardly way of attacking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by philipOhayda View Post
    you have no facts to back this up with.
    That's it? That's all you have to say to that horrific comment that has just been posted up here? That's like seeing a man going up to a pregnant woman and shooting her in the face, and a bystander says:
    " That's not nice at all!"
    Am I the only one absoloutley disghusted by cupoftea's comment?! Am I the only one who will stand up for the 11 million innocent Jews, Gypsies and disabled people who the Nazis ruthlessly exterminated? The Nazis are the most evil organization ever to exist, they mustn't be compared to anyone, let alone the Israelis! My holocaust-survivor Grandfather must be spitting in his grave right now, and to tell you the truth seeing remarks like that in the 21st century makes me want to cry. Oh GOD!
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    Both male and female walruses have tusks and have been observed using these overgrown teeth to help pull themselves out of the water.

    The mustached and long-tusked walrus is most often found near the Arctic Circle, lying on the ice with hundreds of companions. These marine mammals are extremely sociable, prone to loudly bellowing and snorting at one another, but are aggressive during mating season. With wrinkled brown and pink hides, walruses are distinguished by their long white tusks, grizzly whiskers, flat flipper, and bodies full of blubber.
    Walruses use their iconic long tusks for a variety of reasons, each of which makes their lives in the Arctic a bit easier. They use them to haul their enormous bodies out of frigid waters, thus their "tooth-walking" label, and to break breathing holes into ice from below. Their tusks, which are found on both males and females, can extend to about three feet (one meter), and are, in fact, large canine teeth, which grow throughout their lives. Male walruses, or bulls, also employ their tusks aggressively to maintain territory and, during mating season, to protect their harems of females, or cows.
    The walrus' other characteristic features are equally useful. As their favorite meals, particularly shellfish, are found near the dark ocean floor, walruses use their extremely sensitive whiskers, called mustacial vibrissae, as detection devices. Their blubbery bodies allow them to live comfortably in the Arctic region—walruses are capable of slowing their heartbeats in order to withstand the polar temperatures of the surrounding waters.
    The two subspecies of walrus are divided geographically. Atlantic walruses inhabit coastal areas from northeastern Canada to Greenland, while Pacific walruses inhabit the northern seas off Russia and Alaska, migrating seasonally from their southern range in the Bering Sea—where they are found on the pack ice in winter—to the Chukchi Sea. Female Pacific walruses give birth to calves during the spring migration north.
    Only Native Americans are currently allowed to hunt walruses, as the species' survival was threatened by past overhunting. Their tusks, oil, skin, and meat were so sought after in the 18th and 19th centuries that the walrus was hunted to extinction in the Gulf of St. Lawrence and around Sable Island, off the coast of Nova Scotia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodguy1066 View Post
    That's it? That's all you have to say to that horrific comment that has just been posted up here? That's like seeing a man going up to a pregnant woman and shooting her in the face, and a bystander says:
    " That's not nice at all!"
    Am I the only one absoloutley disghusted by cupoftea's comment?! Am I the only one who will stand up for the 11 million innocent Jews, Gypsies and disabled people who the Nazis ruthlessly exterminated? The Nazis are the most evil organization ever to exist, they mustn't be compared to anyone, let alone the Israelis! My holocaust-survivor Grandfather must be spitting in his grave right now, and to tell you the truth seeing remarks like that in the 21st century makes me want to cry. Oh GOD!
    Cry me a huge river.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodguy1066 View Post
    That's it? That's all you have to say to that horrific comment that has just been posted up here? That's like seeing a man going up to a pregnant woman and shooting her in the face, and a bystander says:
    " That's not nice at all!"
    Am I the only one absoloutley disghusted by cupoftea's comment?! Am I the only one who will stand up for the 11 million innocent Jews, Gypsies and disabled people who the Nazis ruthlessly exterminated? The Nazis are the most evil organization ever to exist, they mustn't be compared to anyone, let alone the Israelis! My holocaust-survivor Grandfather must be spitting in his grave right now, and to tell you the truth seeing remarks like that in the 21st century makes me want to cry. Oh GOD!
    hey dude, Calm down a little bit

    I don't see why we should cry for the jews, and not for the rest of the world.
    Even more than your millions of black people in congo under belgian colonisation died. Do we have to be shocked if something about that is said ? I don't think so
    What about the armenians in Turkey ?
    Ukrainans
    Native indians
    Aztecs
    and the palestinians in israel

    FFS man, you are not the only on earth, either the more important

    I spit on people crying for the jews of second WW (which are not jew), and that do not cry for the others

    Or you cry for everyone, or you cry for no one

    So no, I'm not shocked by this comment. For sure, here on TWC you'll not find anyone who has directly be a victim of 2nd WW, so it's not that awful.
    Your behavior shocks me more than his

    EDIT : Btw, everyone suffered of 2nd WW. Even germans, more germans died than jews, more Russian died than jews. Ok the reason of the death is different, therefore the result is the same. So yeah I change my opinion, I'm shocked by his comment, it's awfull to compare those poor germans that died in 2nd WW with the actual Israel what a lack of respect for ppl that went into war and died, leaving millions of womens and childrens alone, mothers without son etc etc
    Yeah !!

    You are righ GoodGuy

    That's ing inhuman !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodguy1066 View Post
    That's it? That's all you have to say to that horrific comment that has just been posted up here? That's like seeing a man going up to a pregnant woman and shooting her in the face, and a bystander says:
    " That's not nice at all!"
    Am I the only one absoloutley disghusted by cupoftea's comment?! Am I the only one who will stand up for the 11 million innocent Jews, Gypsies and disabled people who the Nazis ruthlessly exterminated? The Nazis are the most evil organization ever to exist, they mustn't be compared to anyone, let alone the Israelis! My holocaust-survivor Grandfather must be spitting in his grave right now, and to tell you the truth seeing remarks like that in the 21st century makes me want to cry. Oh GOD!
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    the yom kippur war showed that you dont with Isreal

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