Racism/Fascism: Dead, alive, taken a new form, or stronger than ever?

[Argeus the Paladin]

What do you think about racism and fascism nowadays?

Has it died? Or is it still alive?

Has it adopted to today's politics or not?

If yes, is it rising again?

Discuss.

[s.rwitt]

Racism will always exist.

[Squiggle]

I would hope, and think that Racialist- not racist- views would/are make a rebound.

[El Brujo]

I would hope, and think that Racialist- not racist- views would/are make a rebound.

What, like the theory that different human populations were isolated long enough to produce significant inheritable differences between them such as muscles, average intelligence, lactose tolerance, etc? If that is ever proven true and/or becomes mainstream America wouldn't be able to handle it. The idea that all races/peoples/whatever are inherently equal is the most important conceit of our age. The modern West could not continue to exist in its present form without it.

[Last Roman]

What, like the theory that different human populations were isolated long enough to produce significant inheritable differences between them such as muscles, average intelligence, lactose tolerance, etc? If that is ever proven true and/or becomes mainstream America wouldn't be able to handle it. The idea that all races/peoples/whatever are inherently equal is the most important conceit of our age. The modern West could not continue to exist in its present form without it.

Which begs the question: is there such a thing as a good lie?

[Squiggle]

What, like the theory that different human populations were isolated long enough to produce significant inheritable differences between them such as muscles, average intelligence, lactose tolerance, etc? If that is ever proven true and/or becomes mainstream America wouldn't be able to handle it. The idea that all races/peoples/whatever are inherently equal is the most important conceit of our age. The modern West could not continue to exist in its present form without it.

Then perhaps the Modern West needs some changing?

Then is it a lie in the first place, I may ask?

Yes, yes it is a lie.

[Argeus the Paladin]

Then is it a lie in the first place, I may ask?

[s.rwitt]

Which begs the question: is there such a thing as a good lie?

Yes.

[Machiavelli25]

Any real differences are mostly artificial, ie: African Americans being athletic.

[Argeus the Paladin]

So you are trying to say that there are inherent differences between races?

[Phier]

So you are trying to say that there are inherent differences between races?

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[Argeus the Paladin]

I don't see anything in that spoiler.

[Dagon]

There are certainly differences, the question is if it matters. Every human being is different from another, so it seems quite natural that there are even bigger differences between races. But since races are based on external influences over a long timeperiod it seems that the differences aren't important except when it comes to judging the enviromental influence on humans in a certain area of the planet over a long timeperiod.

[El Brujo]

There are certainly differences, the question is if it matters. Every human being is different from another, so it seems quite natural that there are even bigger differences between races. But since races are based on external influences over a long timeperiod it seems that the differences aren't important except when it comes to judging the enviromental influence on humans in a certain area of the planet over a long timeperiod.

I think the crux of the whole racialism thing is the average IQ scores, which vary greatly among different races*. Black Americans for example have an average IQ of 85, as opposed to say Ashkenazi Jews who average something like 113. The accepted argument has always been that this is because of environmental reasons; that is, Blacks are poor and Jews are rich so one group simply isn't as prepared as the other to do good on a test(or some variation of that). The racialist argument holds that Blacks do worse because they simply aren't as smart and that this lack of intelligence is inheritable, i.e. genetic. This view was discredited during the Civil Rights era due to the fact that its staunchest supporters were Southern segregationists and pretty much everything associated with them was discredited then, but it seems to currently be making a resurgence in some circles. I really wish Daovonnaex hadn't gotten himself banned because he knew quite a bit about this issue.

*Or at least, this is what I most commonly see them using in their arguments, probably because it is so convenient.

[AK47]

Racism exists very much so but in different ways and its not always about "hating a different" race but Racism is still Racism.
Some of the New Racism engages in rewarding people for being of a certan race and even a "insert name of race" history months are given out. People are granted student loans and scholarships based on their race.
I find it appalling there is no national Hispanic history month, Asian History Month or White History month but there is a "Black" History month.
If they wont do a History Month for all races they need to remove black history month.

Judge one by its character and not by its Skins color.

[Dagon]

What the hell does that even mean? If it is true, scientifically proven that Blacks are both dumber and have a predisposition towards violence [not arguing that case, throwing it out there] how would that difference not be important? It would have massive implications in every range of Society, even if this inclination towards violence, or this slight deficiency on average intelligence wasn't something that doomed every Black person to being a dumb brute.

Edit: If there are [and id contend so] Racial differences, only the most minute and trivial could ever conceivably be accepted without radically altering group dynamics and the way society functions, i.e things that are already self evident like eye colour.

I think the crux of the whole racialism thing is the average IQ scores, which vary greatly among different races*. Black Americans for example have an average IQ of 85, as opposed to say Ashkenazi Jews who average something like 113. The accepted argument has always been that this is because of environmental reasons; that is, Blacks are poor and Jews are rich so one group simply isn't as prepared as the other to do good on a test(or some variation of that). The racialist argument holds that Blacks do worse because they simply aren't as smart and that this lack of intelligence is inheritable, i.e. genetic. This view was discredited during the Civil Rights era due to the fact that its staunchest supporters were Southern segregationists and pretty much everything associated with them was discredited then, but it seems to currently be making a resurgence in some circles. I really wish Daovonnaex hadn't gotten himself banned because he knew quite a bit about this issue.

*Or at least, this is what I most commonly see them using in their arguments, probably because it is so convenient.

From my point of view racial traits are mostly physical and not psychological or sociological. That means, that everything connected to intelligence or social behaviour is controlled by something else then race.
Of course there are all kind of studies saying all kind of stuff about this topic but i think it's about the potential and not the actual situation. And the potential to be smart or stupid, kind or mean.... is equal among the races. When it comes to physical traits however the differences are quite obvious. Darker skin equals less sunburns etc.

[★Bandiera Rossa☭]

In many places Fascism has taken a sort of "religious form" if you aren't a WASP then the Teabaggers don't want you, not to mention the theocracy in the Middle East, it isn't Fascism, but it is its cousin.

[El Brujo]

In many places Fascism has taken a sort of "religious form" if you aren't a WASP then the Teabaggers don't want you.

Tea partiers are a very diverse group so I can't speak for all of them, but the ones I know practically salivate when a Black person joins up. It gives them something to point to when they get called racist. Blacks aren't common in tea party events because Blacks, as a group, simply aren't interested.

[AK47]

In many places Fascism has taken a sort of "religious form" if you aren't a WASP then the Teabaggers don't want you, not to mention the theocracy in the Middle East, it isn't Fascism, but it is its cousin.

Tea Partiers arent racist. If you find that 1 tea partier out of a 1 million is a racist so what its not like they speak for the majority.
Its funny how the other side always likes to call the Tea Partiers racists/nazis because they have different view points.
Its something that Nancy Pelosi herself has done.

[Phier]

In many places Fascism has taken a sort of "religious form" if you aren't a WASP then the Teabaggers don't want you.

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What a wasp my look like...