But-a Pooope I Don't wanna'

[xxmaelstrom]

So while playing, the Pope wanted me to join a crusade and it got me thinking. How critical is your standing with the Pope?

[RootsKW]

If you don't care about calling crusades, it doesn't really matter. Just make sure you don't get excomm'd, though.

[xxmaelstrom]

If you don't care about calling crusades, it doesn't really matter. Just make sure you don't get excomm'd, though.

What's so negative about that though?

[Massive_attack]

Above 3 crosses to make catholic enemies think twice before invading. If papal favor goes under that, your in some trouble and should play nicey-nice.

Generally the higher papal favor the more likely for the pope to 'side' with you during conflicts and wars, and the less likely for other catholics to wage war.

Papal favor is actually really important in terms of politics and whatnot.

[xxmaelstrom]

Above 3 crosses to make catholic enemies think twice before invading. If papal favor goes under that, your in some trouble and should play nicey-nice.

Generally the higher papal favor the more likely for the pope to 'side' with you during conflicts and wars, and the less likely for other catholics to wage war.

Papal favor is actually really important in terms of politics and whatnot.

It all comes down to politics

[NZV]

You can get by just fine if the pope isn't a big fan of you, but it's still not a bad thing to work towards. Just throw a little money at him and he'll love you. You don't even need to give him much. One of the first things I do every time I play a catholic nation is head over to rome with a diplomat for an alliance and trade rights, and then keep the diplomat there to hand out small bits of cash as necessary.

Or if you wanted, you could also just send a group of spear militia and a bad general on the crusade. I tend to do that pretty often. If they fail, who cares? If they manage to somehow take the city, fantastic.

Though generally I don't want a lone city off on the other side of the map, so I exterminate the population, knock down all the non-guild buildings (since taking those out makes the guilds like you less), and leave. It sets back the faction that you just took it from, especially if it's one of their more important cities. And that's not a bad thing.

The Fatimids in particular always seem to end up dominating in every campaign that I play. They also tend to have a ton of crusade-able cities. It's a nice way to take them down a peg without extending your empire way off in the middle of nowhere where you can't support it.

[xxmaelstrom]

You can get by just fine if the pope isn't a big fan of you, but it's still not a bad thing to work towards. Just throw a little money at him and he'll love you. You don't even need to give him much. One of the first things I do every time I play a catholic nation is head over to rome with a diplomat for an alliance and trade rights, and then keep the diplomat there to hand out small bits of cash as necessary.

Or if you wanted, you could also just send a group of spear militia and a bad general on the crusade. I tend to do that pretty often. If they fail, who cares? If they manage to somehow take the city, fantastic.

Though generally I don't want a lone city off on the other side of the map, so I exterminate the population, knock down all the non-guild buildings (since taking those out makes the guilds like you less), and leave. It sets back the faction that you just took it from, especially if it's one of their more important cities. And that's not a bad thing.

The Fatimids in particular always seem to end up dominating in every campaign that I play. They also tend to have a ton of crusade-able cities. It's a nice way to take them down a peg without extending your empire way off in the middle of nowhere where you can't support it.

That's another thing I've been wondering. If you take a city far off on the map, far from your capital and you don't want to deal with the corruption expenditures and maintaining the city, you exterminate right? I was trying to find a way to destroy the city, but I think the exterminate option is what that is. Unless there is specifically a button that does "Destroy this city." And how do you destroy buildings?

[NZV]

That's another thing I've been wondering. If you take a city far off on the map, far from your capital and you don't want to deal with the corruption expenditures and maintaining the city, you exterminate right? I was trying to find a way to destroy the city, but I think the exterminate option is what that is. Unless there is specifically a button that does "Destroy this city." And how do you destroy buildings?

Right click the building on the bottom of the screen when you have the construction menu of the city selected. There should be a small destroy button around the description area. You cannot destroy some things though, such as roads. And don't destroy guild buildings.

[Sir Walter]

What's so negative about that though?

Being excommunicated? Everything. Crusades, all the Catholics ganging up on you, you need to pay the pope/assassinate the pope/let your king die really quick for a reconciliation.

You can get by just fine if the pope isn't a big fan of you, but it's still not a bad thing to work towards. Just throw a little money at him and he'll love you. You don't even need to give him much. One of the first things I do every time I play a catholic nation is head over to rome with a diplomat for an alliance and trade rights, and then keep the diplomat there to hand out small bits of cash as necessary.

Or if you wanted, you could also just send a group of spear militia and a bad general on the crusade. I tend to do that pretty often. If they fail, who cares? If they manage to somehow take the city, fantastic.

Though generally I don't want a lone city off on the other side of the map, so I exterminate the population, knock down all the non-guild buildings (since taking those out makes the guilds like you less), and leave. It sets back the faction that you just took it from, especially if it's one of their more important cities. And that's not a bad thing.

The Fatimids in particular always seem to end up dominating in every campaign that I play. They also tend to have a ton of crusade-able cities. It's a nice way to take them down a peg without extending your empire way off in the middle of nowhere where you can't support it.

They also end up with a reputation of "Very Untrustworthy" from staying at war with people like Aragon and Scotland for 70 turns Oh and NEVER KNOCK DOWN A CHURCH. You get about 200 florins and the Pope will hate you.

[gunner32]

Another thing happend to me, when excommunicated as Great-Britain.
Almost half of my family/Generals lost there loyalty !! towards me.
It took me some time to get every thing back to normal.

Now....If you would succeed in destroying the papal-states/pope, what would happen??

[Sir Walter]

Another thing happend to me, when excommunicated as Great-Britain.
Almost half of my family/Generals lost there loyalty !! towards me.
It took me some time to get every thing back to normal.

Now....If you would succeed in destroying the papal-states/pope, what would happen??

Great Britain = England? Don't let any Scots or Irish hear you say that You can't destroy the Pope, he goes nomadic and some Catholic faction will probably settle him somewhere else for the Paparep bonus

[sbroadbent]

So while playing, the Pope wanted me to join a crusade and it got me thinking. How critical is your standing with the Pope?

It can be important if you war with fellow catholics. Excommunication tends to go to the faction with the lower standing. Get it too low, and you might not have much fun slaughtering Catholics if you want to avoid being excommunicated.

With that said, in one game I got excommunicated (stole back Alexandria and Damietta from the Papal States, which admittedly sank my Rep to Despicable), but I managed to buy back favor with the Pope to 9 crosses (though the Pope was still unwilling to consider reconciliation) and managed to call a crusade on fellow excomm'd France all the while being excommunicated. Only thing I couldn't do is join the crusade