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    Dear Non Americans,

    I am writing this letter to express some of the things that have been troubling me for some time. I think that a lot of the hate that Americans receive is for the most part unjustified and borne from stereotypes which simply aren't true. Recently I saw a thread which basically claimed that America has no history. Of course, this is a rather ignorant statement to make since America has been involved in some of the most historic events of the past 300 years. Another went on to say that America is just a breeding ground for capitalists, and since it has killed so many people, deserves no gratitude. Seems like a strange thing to say since America has also taken drastic measures to end killings in the world. Furthermore, what nation hasn't killed people? I really hate this argument, but the shoe fits on the other foot as well. Communists have killed plenty of people, so I don't really understand this argument. Killing happens, its sad but true. I'm really not a fan of killing, as a matter of fact I really don't like it, but it does happen, and every culture has done it. Seems bizarre to call every society that has ever been not worthy of gratitude or worthy of praise for its positive contributions to the wider world just because it has killed people. That seems to imply that all cultures that have ever been are evil, and by extension all of the people.

    But there are plenty of ignorant arguments out there, I'll just focus on a few main points. I'll not speak for all Americans or even a majority of Americans, but I just want to make my position very clear. Maybe it will help some people here realize that when they do insult Americans as a whole they are speaking very broadly and trying to apply stereotypes where they do not apply.

    1. I love Europeans and Europe. We're basically just Europe's younger brother in the grand scheme of things. Sure we fight from time to time but we always make up afterwards, just like the Marshall Plan. We help one another out, so I don' get the hostility sometimes.

    2. George Bush- he's not the most popular guy even in America. Sure, we elected him twice, but can you blame us? Have you seen some of the crazy stuff John Kerry has been up to the last decade? It would be like letting a rodeo clown operate a forklift. It wouldn't have ended well! Sometimes we just need to take the lesser of two evils.

    3. I hate evangelical Christians. They reek of ignorance and I chase them off with rakes when they come to my door. Its true that most Americans identify themselves as religious, but that's inherent in our nature. After all, many people came to this nation fleeing religious persecution. Don't worry though, its dying off. Secularism is taking root.

    4. The war in Iraq- I'm sick of it too. Why we are still there spending money on it I'll never know. How (and why) we stayed in longer than a few years I will never know. But also understand that 9/11 to us would be like Buckingham Palace being bombed, the Eiffel Tower being nuked, or the Coliseum being packed with 3,000 Italians and bombed. We not only lost an American icon, but a lot of individuals as well. Action needed to be taken and was taken appropriately with multilateral support. It did not progress well after the initial actions, but the initial action was necessary and proper.

    5. All of us aren't stupid. Actually many of us are quite bright. Any other nation has its fair share of morons, but we don't characterize entire populations of people based on those people.

    6. MCDONALDS IS ING DISGUSTING. Seriously, I would rather eat dog vomit than sit down and eat the slop they try to pass as edible "food". Fast food in general is disgusting. I eat it maybe once or twice a month.

    7. WWI and WWII. I'm not gonna say "LOL WE SAVED YOUR ASSES" or anything like that, because it really cheapens the sacrifice millions of men, both American and European made in the war. It was a group effort and I'm tired of all the nationalist banter that goes on about it. Nationalism is what started both wars in the first place, primarily so it seems ridiculous to not learn from past mistakes on even the most basic of levels.

    8. Americans act badly. But so do many other people. I'm not saying that makes it OK, but understand that there are some Americans who are just s, just like in any other country some people are just s. It may be difficult to not judge a nation or nationality based on the interaction you have had with a small number of individuals who have ended up in your midst, but please don't get the wrong idea from these people. The average American isn't a burger munching evangelical with a "god hates fags" bumper sticker on their gas guzzling Ford 350. Of course, there are people like this....but luckily not in large numbers. We're really a peace loving people and I do believe that even our reasons for going to war is primarily defense and a struggle for the greater peace. But it has gotten carried away.

    9. We aren't as arrogant as you think we are.

    So there you have it in a condensed form. It may not make much sense I'll admit, but I hope I brought things closer to the center. We really have much more in common than not. As an Anglophile I can certainly tell you that the majority of Americans aren't like the group that is presented on the news or TV.


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    Your points are all valid, except for #4. 9/11 didn't really have anything to do with Iraq.

    And #5, most americans aern't stupid, just ignorant.

    Oh, and Mickey D's awesome.
    Last edited by removeduser_052420; March 17, 2010 at 06:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pspguy123 View Post
    Your points are valid, except for #4. 9/11 didn't really have anything to do with Iraq.
    Well, a lot of people link the two. They make it about the nukes we didn't find, but then again Saddam wasn't living up to UN resolutions and was a rather cruel man himself...

    And #5, most americans aern't stupid, just ignorant.
    Well tons of people are ignorant! Not just Americans

    Oh, and Mickey D's awesome.
    When I do go out for fastfood, I always have to get a Whopper from Burger King. Now there's a real burger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pøntifex View Post
    Well, a lot of people link the two.
    That's because most Americans are just too lazy to go out and look up the truth. Not to mention the government pretty much fooled the mess out of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pøntifex View Post
    They make it about the nukes we didn't find, but then again Saddam wasn't living up to UN resolutions and was a rather cruel man himself...
    true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pøntifex View Post
    Well tons of people are ignorant! Not just Americans
    Agreed. But the difference is that in countries in Asia such as Pakistan and India, People are ignorant due to illiteracy and mis-education. Here, everything is at the average American's disposable, yet they choose not to learn the truth.



    Quote Originally Posted by Pøntifex View Post
    When I do go out for fastfood, I always have to get a Whopper from Burger King. Now there's a real burger.
    Yeah the Whopper is good.

    But the Burger king's in South Carolina suck, so I usually go to Arby's or Mickey D's instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by pspguy123 View Post
    Agreed. But the difference is that in countries in Asia such as Pakistan and India, People are ignorant due to illiteracy and mis-education. Here, everything is at the average American's disposable, yet they choose not to learn the truth.
    Oh I can't argue with that. There are still a lot of evangelicals here.

    Yeah the Whopper is good.

    But the Burger king's in South Carolina suck, so I usually go to Arby's or Mickey D's instead
    Arby's is good too. Nothing beats a roast beef melt after a day at work mmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pøntifex View Post
    Oh I can't argue with that. There are still a lot of evangelicals here.
    Agreed. But there are an even greater of non-religious Americans that still believe the that comes out of the American media, and like putting a good/evil face to every conflict in the world.



    Quote Originally Posted by Pøntifex View Post
    Arby's is good too. Nothing beats a roast beef melt after a day at work mmm
    Definately. Shame they got rid of the chocoloate turnovers thought

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    I think a lot of resentment comes from America's role as a superpower. It is inevitable - put any country in such a position of power, and people will blame it for what goes wrong in the world, because superpowers shape the world like no other states can. Every country looks out for its own interests first, and that's understandable, but when its interests become global, feathers will be ruffled, sometimes in ugly ways, and people are less prone to forgive a strong bully than a weak one.

    Another thing is that people around the world are more knowledgeable (or think they are more knowledgeable) about American society, thanks to American cultural supremacy, so they all have an opinion on American mores like they do for their local affairs, and they like to voice their opinions. You could say that familiarity breeds contempt, on some level...

    I disagree with point #4, since Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11, but I, for one, fully acknowledge the rest, and wish fewer non-Americans on the internet would stereotype Americans like they often do.



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    Good luck with that Pontifix.
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    *raises hand*

    Americans are no longer hostile to former communist countries are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argeus the Paladin View Post
    *raises hand*

    Americans are no longer hostile to former communist countries are they?
    Not this American...I don't care about communists in general. Whatever floats their boat.

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    so you *hate* evangelicals? you can disagree with them, and even think their opinions are inferior to your own, but what have they ever done to you? we owe most of our moral values to Christianity, you know.
    "WE WILL SMITE THE INVADERS FROM OUR SKIES! Though they sweep over our lands like the sands of winter, never again will we bow before them; never again endure their oppression; never again endure their tyranny. We will strike without warning and without mercy, fighting as one hand, one heart, one soul. We will shatter their dreams and haunt their nightmares, drenching our ancestors' graves with their blood. And as our last breath tears at their lungs; as we rise again from the ruins of our cities...they will know: Helghan belongs to the Helghast." -Scholar Visari

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight of virtue and valor View Post
    so you *hate* evangelicals? you can disagree with them, and even think their opinions are inferior to your own, but what have they ever done to you? we owe most of our moral values to Christianity, you know.
    Its more that I hate their behavior and the fact they try to force their beliefs on everyone and come to my door once a month...I'm sure they are nice people otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pøntifex View Post
    Its more that I hate their behavior and the fact they try to force their beliefs on everyone and come to my door once a month...I'm sure they are nice people otherwise.
    I agree. I am a christian and a republican but I dislike the morality republicans put in there policies. People should be allowed to have abortions. What the right should do is instead of making things illegal, they should simply preach that it is immoral and try to persuade people to not have abortions, not force them.

    Give people incentives to do or not do things. Give em reasons to do or not do things. Capitalism can work in morals too.

    On the topic of religion, a nation needs balance. It needs religion to keep it morally in check, but if a nation gets to religious than it can get fanatical.
    balance is needed in everything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jom View Post
    Unfortunately, based on current statistics, 40% of Americans still don't believe in evolution but then again nor do a comparable number of British.
    Ehh im in the middle on evolution. Personally I believe in this. God performs miracles but ensures that there is an explanation for it. He makes it so it obeys the laws of the universe he made.
    I don't believe in the seven day creation though. I think it is metaphorical. I think a bunch of the bible is metaphorical.
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    im sorry to say this pontifex,but no matter how much euro dick you want to suck they will always turn their nose to us. I say that continent and let them drown in their snobbish idealist ways. I love their history too, but the europe of old is no more, all thats left is a sick old man. bring the hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickle_mole View Post
    im sorry to say this pontifex,but no matter how much euro dick you want to suck they will always turn their nose to us. I say that continent and let them drown in their snobbish idealist ways. I loce their history too, but the euro of old is no more, all thats left is a sick old man. bring the hate.
    And you have the gall to stereotype Europeans in spite of Pontifex's remarks on the subject of stereotypes? It doesn't matter that the accusations are applied in reverse, it's still missing the whole point. Damn, No wonder they hate us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickle_mole View Post
    im sorry to say this pontifex,but no matter how much euro dick you want to suck they will always turn their nose to us. I say that continent and let them drown in their snobbish idealist ways. I love their history too, but the europe of old is no more, all thats left is a sick old man. bring the hate.
    Correct.
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    I can't listen to any European moan at us about McDonald's. There are McDonald's all over the place in Europe and everyone I ever walked by or went inside was packed full of people. It's just they don't have as many choices as we do. They just have McD's and KFC and sometimes BK. But those European folks love their fast food no different than Americans.

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    Most of these are two-sided, most of these statements are true - but at the same time we ignorantly apply the same type of stereotypes on everyone else.
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    Unfortunately, based on current statistics, 40% of Americans still don't believe in evolution but then again nor do a comparable number of British.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pøntifex View Post
    9. We aren't as arrogant as you think we are.
    Actually, we probably are, and we are actually kind of proud of it/take enjoyment in it. You know its true. We live in the greatest nation on earth and like to remind folks about that.



    ButI don't appreciate you bashing religion, as this nation was founded on religious freedom by a great many devout people. Nobody is forced to be religious, but many of us are, and this isn't a bad thing at all--it's part of what makes America great. If you want to live in a socialist anti-religious atmosphere, move to Europe. That's not what America is.


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