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    From the website, Letters of Note

    This shocking 1907 telegram was sent by a Charles Morgan to Henry Prinsep, a man seemingly based 2200km away in Perth who at the time was, surprisingly, Chief Protector of Aborigines for Western Australia. Following the arrival of British settlers in the 18th century, Australia's indigenous population were slowly faced with disease, loss of land, stolen generations and general violence. Sadly, the introduction of arsenic to their water and flour supplies wasn't uncommon.

    If anyone can enlighten me as to the specifics of this particular telegram, please do.




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    COMMONWEALTH OF AUSTRALIA
    POSTMASTER-GENERAL'S DEPARTMENT, WESTERN AUSTRALIA

    20 JUL 07

    TELEGRAM from Broome Station
    Addressed to H. Princep Esq, prot. of aborigines

    Send cask arsenic exterminate aborigines letter will follow

    Chas Morgan




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    It can't be real... Nobody would have the audacity in that age to write such a telegram. Even the Nazi were not open about the "Final Solution".
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    oh my european colonist trying to wipe out the natives.... what a surprise.
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    I heard that until the second half of the 20th century they were considered part of the fauna!

    Can you belive it? They were forced to jump off cliffs and such...

    I saw a documentary a long time ago...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moorish guy View Post
    oh my european colonist trying to wipe out the natives.... what a surprise.
    This is qute disturbing though. Few other colonist actually ordered the extermination of the natives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moorish guy View Post
    oh my european colonist trying to wipe out the natives.... what a surprise.
    Indeed.

    It can't be real... Nobody would have the audacity in that age to write such a telegram. Even the Nazi were not open about the "Final Solution".
    If you dont count the thousands of letters,documents and other type of info that was actualy used to prove Holocaust as actualy happening no...

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    Bad luck.
    I'm stilling for the sources, Boofhead. Back up your claims about the stolen generation.

    No, it wasn't.
    Yes, it was. In the words of the two of the biggest architects of the Stolen generation.

    Here's a quote from a speech from A O Neville, Chief Protector of Aborigines, 1937:

    "We have power under the act to take any child from its mother at any stage of its life... Are we going to have a population of one million blacks in the Commonwealth or are we going to merge them into our white community and eventually forget that there were ever any Aborigines [sic?] in Australia?"
    Dr. Cecil Cook, NT Chief Protector 1927-39:

    "Generally by the fifth and invariably by the sixth generation, all native characteristics of the Australian aborigine are eradicated. The problem of our half-castes will quickly be eliminated by the complete disappearance of the black race, and the swift submergence of progeny in the white."
    You have a victim complex.
    Ad hominen argument, you insult me because you can't address my points.

    If they wanted to wipe out the natives then you would never have been born, because they could have easily accomplished it.
    Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.


    Stop talking, and believing, misguided martyrdom racist .
    I've provided evidence that their intent was to destroy the Aboriginal race, instead of just insulting me, provide evidence that the Stolen generation had no racial element.

    Typical ing martyr-seeking historical revisionism.
    You're the one engaging in historical revisionism.

    It's an amazing fact, but sometimes people who lie around sniffing and drinking in hovels until the day they die are mostly to blame for their own predicaments.
    Instead of engaging in frankly pathetic strawman and ad homimen fallacies, how about addressing my points?

    To repeat, I'm waiting for your evidence about your assertions on the Stolen generation, which is contradictory to any evidence presented.



















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    No wonder the Rudd administration just had to apologize.

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    I do not comment on this genocidal document.

    I am just waiting for burnum.
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    Didn't Australia have a "White Australia" policy 'till 1970?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishoss View Post
    Didn't Australia have a "White Australia" policy 'till 1970?
    Yep
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    ing disgusting
    as much as i love australia, i cant ignore its disturbing past

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    From what I know Aborigines at the time were not considered to be truly human, yet even if that belief were correct they are obviously close enough to make extermination morally wrong. But Australians of that era were a very grim and hard-bitten people, similar to voortrekkers and American frontiersmen, so they probably didn't care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Brujo View Post
    From what I know Aborigines at the time were not considered to be truly human, yet even if that belief were correct they are obviously close enough to make extermination morally wrong. But Australians of that era were a very grim and hard-bitten people, similar to voortrekkers and American frontiersmen, so they probably didn't care.
    Australian Aborigines weren't legally human until the 1960s.

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    yeah its pretty ing sick.

    we harp on about how civillised we are, but we treat our own indigenous population like 2nd class.

    "there are no aboriginals left in tasmania" was one topic of discussion around the bonfire one night. then one muppet piped up with "pity they didn't do the same job here, they did over there" (referring to the systematic cleansing of the indigenous population). It really beggars belief.

    That telegram more than likely did exist. all these bigoted anglo s here are in constant permarage about the govt apologising to the indigenous people because of the stolen generation e.t.c

    though the rise of anglo/white british nationalism in australia certainly plays a part i believe, the aboriginal flag is almost treated as if it is foreign aswell as it's people. because they are of a "different complexion" than the whiteys.

    this country is ed, when it comes to indigenous human rights. useless useless in govt every single er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    ing disgusting
    as much as i love australia, i cant ignore its disturbing past
    Don't beat yourselves up about it, it's the Brits, modern Aussies wouldn't harm a fly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodguy1066 View Post
    Don't beat yourselves up about it, it's the Brits, modern Aussies wouldn't harm a fly.
    Australia became a Dominion in 1901, i.e. all Australian laws ever since were created by Australians, without British involvement. The Brits actually tried to protect the Aboriginals, appointing Aboriginal Protectors during the 19th century to make sure that Aboriginals weren't exterminated throughout Australia, like they were in Van Diemens' Land.
    Last edited by Dr. Croccer; March 18, 2010 at 11:16 AM.
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    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    The Brits actually tried to protect the Aboriginals, appointing Aboriginal Protectors during the 19th century to make sure that Aboriginals weren't exterminated throughout Australia, like they were in Van Diemens' Land.
    True, it's the same with British America - Parliament attempt to exercise restraint, but the colonists on the ground, engaged in frontier conflict, saw differently. To be honest, even in Van Diemen's Land the Aborigines were removed to Flinders Island in an attempt to protect them - convieniently that also allowed the colonists to take the land unopposed!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tomyris View Post
    True, it's the same with British America - Parliament attempt to exercise restraint, but the colonists on the ground, engaged in frontier conflict, saw differently. To be honest, even in Van Diemen's Land the Aborigines were removed to Flinders Island in an attempt to protect them - convieniently that also allowed the colonists to take the land unopposed!
    Tasmania is a bit different, the population of Tasmanian Aboriginals were seriously depleted by the time European settlers came around. Due accidental transmission of diseases. Also Tasmanian tribes involved in Slave trading (or rather forced prostitution of Mainland Aboriginals), so them.

    Also the Number of atrocities was exaggerated by the Tasmanian Government so that could go after the pirates committing the atrocities without significant outcry by Britain and the colonies.

    Pious Agnost aren't you a Kiwi? I think it's probably only in NZ where colonizers were out brutalized by the Colonized, The Genocide of the Moriori was an incredibly brutal act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tomyris View Post
    To be honest, even in Van Diemen's Land the Aborigines were removed to Flinders Island in an attempt to protect them - convieniently that also allowed the colonists to take the land unopposed!
    Well, better to relocate them than let the colonists exterminate them.
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    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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