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    Default Scientists go 'gaga' to find creatures beneath 600 feet of ice

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100315/...ctica_sea_life

    WASHINGTON – In a surprising discovery about where higher life can thrive, scientists for the first time found a shrimp-like creature and a jellyfish frolicking beneath a massive Antarctic ice sheet.
    Six hundred feet below the ice where no light shines, scientists had figured nothing much more than a few microbes could exist.
    That's why a NASA team was surprised when they lowered a video camera to get the first long look at the underbelly of an ice sheet in Antarctica. A curious shrimp-like creature came swimming by and then parked itself on the camera's cable. Scientists also pulled up a tentacle they believe came from a foot-long jellyfish.
    "We were operating on the presumption that nothing's there," said NASA ice scientist Robert Bindschadler, who will be presenting the initial findings and a video at an American Geophysical Union meeting Wednesday. "It was a shrimp you'd enjoy having on your plate."
    "We were just gaga over it," he said of the 3-inch-long, orange critter starring in their two-minute video. Technically, it's not a shrimp. It's a Lyssianasid amphipod, which is distantly related to shrimp.
    The video is likely to inspire experts to rethink what they know about life in harsh environments. And it has scientists musing that if shrimp-like creatures can frolic below 600 feet of Antarctic ice in subfreezing dark water, what about other hostile places? What about Europa, a frozen moon of Jupiter?
    "They are looking at the equivalent of a drop of water in a swimming pool that you would expect nothing to be living in and they found not one animal but two," said biologist Stacy Kim of the Moss Landing Marine Laboratories in California, who joined the NASA team later. "We have no idea what's going on down there."
    Microbiologist Cynan Ellis-Evans of the British Antarctic Survey called the finding intriguing.
    "This is a first for the sub-glacial environment with that level of sophistication," Ellis-Evans said. He said there have been findings somewhat similar, showing complex life in retreating ice shelves, but nothing quite directly under the ice like this.
    Ellis-Evans said it's possible the creatures swam in from far away and don't live there permanently.
    But Kim, who is a co-author of the study, doubts it. The site in West Antarctica is at least 12 miles from open seas. Bindschadler drilled an 8-inch-wide hole and was looking at a tiny amount of water. That means it's unlikely that that two critters swam from great distances and were captured randomly in that small of an area, she said.
    Yet scientists were puzzled at what the food source would be for these critters. While some microbes can make their own food out of chemicals in the ocean, complex life like the amphipod can't, Kim said.
    So how do they survive? That's the key question, Kim said.
    "It's pretty amazing when you find a huge puzzle like that on a planet where we thought we know everything," Kim said.


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    Good read. Now lets get that rocket ready for Europa wooohooo!

    Wait, what's that, the Mars mission is scrapped ....? Ok well how's that moon base mission coming along? Oh ... oh that's gone too huh?

    Hmm. Could we get a couple hundred bucks to cobble together a giant slingshot?

    Make our own you say? With what? ...

    You can't be serious! But then what would we use to keep our pants up!!?

    Sigh. There. Fine. Now my pants are falling down. How that mission to Taco Bell looking?

    What?! You bastards!




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    Default Re: Scientists go 'gaga' to find creatures beneath 600 feet of ice

    Theres prob creatures but they not going to be intelligent or humanoid.

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    I would assume there is a vast difference between life starting to develop in harsh environment and life coming from fitting environments adapting to harsh environments. Those shrimp could invest millions of years of "settling attempts" where they consistently failed but a stable population growth in fairer waters allowed them to evolutionary try again later throughout generations till it worked.
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    Old news. Norwegian scientists has been studying these creatures for 30 years.


    "The most sensational about this case is that they call it a sensation", says Jørgen Berge, a professor in marinebiology at UNIS on Svalbard.

    "If they had turned the camera and filmed further down, they'd find a rich community of different bottom-species. Even though they drilled far in on the ice, there's still openings to the ocean."

    http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/ar...p?artid=591795
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    Default Re: Scientists go 'gaga' to find creatures beneath 600 feet of ice

    Quote Originally Posted by Ishoss View Post
    Old news. Norwegian scientists has been studying these creatures for 30 years.


    "The most sensational about this case is that they call it a sensation", says Jørgen Berge, a professor in marinebiology at UNIS on Svalbard.

    "If they had turned the camera and filmed further down, they'd find a rich community of different bottom-species. Even though they drilled far in on the ice, there's still openings to the ocean."

    http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/ar...p?artid=591795
    Ha ha ha ah ah, oh my, I watched that video I think the Biological department of NASA need to wake up, smell the coffee and listen to the "locals" who know what their talking about.
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    Default Re: Scientists go 'gaga' to find creatures beneath 600 feet of ice

    Shrimp frolicking in front of a camera? Somethings never change, regardless of species..

    best quote from the comments

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    Default Re: Scientists go 'gaga' to find creatures beneath 600 feet of ice

    We really don't need to find intelligent or humanoid creatures on Mars or Europa, we just need to find trace of active life on another world in order to prove that life is more than just an accident that occurred on Earth.

    We don't need to send man out to Europa to do such research, a probe is more than capable of drilling into the ice of a distant world. Just gotta figure out how. They are running tests now on ideas I believe.
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    Default Re: Scientists go 'gaga' to find creatures beneath 600 feet of ice

    The prospects of finding life on Europa have been so immensly hyped up that nowadays it is getting impossible to imagine that there just might not actually be life there! When the scientists get to Europa and find there's really nothing there, I am going to be laughing my head off

    Few years later, they'll go to Enceladus. Repeat of the above.

    Of course, if I'm wrong, I won't regret what I just said. I'l be too amazed

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