Followers of Melkor??

[Comandertony]

in this amazing mod i was just wondering why for isengard does it say followers of Melkor....
in reality Saruman never had any real interest in becoming sourons ally....he only used it as a trick to find the ring for himself...even persuaded the nazgul..when they came to his tower...(swear i read it in the book)

so would it rather be correct that instead of saying followers of Melkor it would be "Servants of Saruman"...or "followers of the white hand" you get my point..if were going to be lore based/movie based...in the movie the uruk hai were sarumans "PERFECTED" creations. some say that he took saurons method of creating them but saruman perfected the uruks and made them even better...not to mention his smarts to add to the story..so therefor for those who are skeptic i trully believe that they were HIS (SARUMANS) creations and his alone for they did not fallow sauron and only the voice of saruman.
also shrine to saruman not melkor.... just to prove my point....not that i like saruman...

also since the capture of melkor by the valar in the first age..all his minions were dispersed...so in reality they no longer became his servants but just his creations....only through sourons apperance did they have a purpose again and a master...SOURON not MELKOR. melkor can no longer use his power to govern his creations so therefor it should say "Followers of Souron"....for in the books it says that like the easterling and the haradrim...the orcs were eventually turned to HIS will (SOURON). just a thought...

crap wrong place to post...sorry.

[Louis Lux]

Melkor is the embodiment of evil, followers of melkor is a fancy way to say evil faction.
I'm all for adding nice details and depth to the game but this is so minor and kind of irrelevant...

[Comandertony]

well if its for evil Factions in general than i understand that....

[Tropical Bob]

It's so Isengard can join in on the invasions.

[Hero of the West]

I do think you are right by stating it should be different.. but Saruman is actually a follower of Sauron once he turned (as is my opinion).. So to my opinion Harad, Rhun, Isengard & Mordor should have been followers of Sauron.. Ootm is an evil faction but doesn't answer the dark lords call (according lore).. so i don't really know about this faction though.. i believe it is an overpowered faction lorewise (to make it survive in gameplay) so they should have been followers of melkor and not able to participate on the crusade..

However.. the difference between followers of melkor or followers of sauron isn't to interesting.. and the fact OOTM can crusade is great for gameplay (just lore incorrect i believe). So it's not worth changing i guess

[OfficerJohn]

Ootm is an evil faction but doesn't answer the dark lords call (according lore)

Newb

I mean, they didn't swarm out of their mountains on Sauron's command without actually answering his call. Which they did - they attacked, like, places. Like Rohan from the North - got cut off by them ents there, though. They also fought around Dale and Dwarves and Silvans and whatever whatnot I don't remember exactly but something.

Same goes for Saruman.


I salute you, OP, and mock you.
Earlier, the idea was brought up to subject, considered, and thrown away like a piece of crap under Treebeard's foot.
But I'm a little late with salutations and mockutations - OP already got it.

So I shall mocketh myself.
*mocks himself*
Mock'd

[Hero of the West]

Newb

I mean, they didn't swarm out of their mountains on Sauron's command without actually answering his call. Which they did - they attacked, like, places. Like Rohan from the North - got cut off by them ents there, though. They also fought around Dale and Dwarves and Silvans and whatever whatnot I don't remember exactly but something.

Same goes for Saruman.


I salute you, OP, and mock you.
Earlier, the idea was brought up to subject, considered, and thrown away like a piece of crap under Treebeard's foot.
But I'm a little late with salutations and mockutations - OP already got it.

So I shall mocketh myself.
*mocks himself*
Mock'd

the whole point of crusade is kinda like.. let's swarm out of the mountains and start fighting.. but no big deal and it where as i remembered all armies carrying the white hand of saruman who attacked Rohan.. during that time frame.. and they fought dale and the silvans during the battle of the 5 armies can't recollect much more about them being in a open war.. well there was moria off course..


so don't lecture me about lore as you don't know it yourself..

[OfficerJohn]

it where as i remembered all armies carrying the white hand of saruman who attacked Rohan.. during that time frame..

When Rohirrim was off fighting Mordor at the Pelennor fields, and defending Minas Tirith along with Gondor, Rohan was attacked from the North-East by armies of Goblins from the Misty Mountains, but, as said, the ents got'em off.

and they fought dale and the silvans during the battle of the 5 armies can't recollect much more about them being in a open war.. well there was moria off course..

Lorien was attacked, the Dwarves and such were also attacked pretty much at the same time as Minas Tirith - as far as I remember. I mean, it wasn't just a Mordor-on-Gondor war.

so don't lecture me about lore as you don't know it yourself..

Waitwhut?

[Tropical Bob]

Well, according to lore, a lot of Melkor's power resides in the world, corrupting everything and everyone in it. In addition to that, the Orcs are, as mentioned, 'creations' of Melkor. So they carry out his will (Death and destruction) naturally, and as a result of his will acting on them. So, yes, they would then be followers of his will, even once they've been cross-bred with Men, because the corruption will still live on in them.

Saruman was either taking orders from Sauron, or under influence from him. Which means if Sauron said "Attack this place with me", I'm sure Saruman would help out, if even just for playing along until he felt he had the strength to become a full independent power.

If I remember correctly, take note that the Orcs accompanying the Uruks during the flight back to Fangorn were from the Misty Mountains, and were taking some sort of orders from Sauron. So the OotMM taking part in invasions is justified. Not that they were even the topic of discussion in the first place, anyway.

Plus, it's for the sake of a gameplay mechanic.

[Baron Samedi]

Plus, it's for the sake of a gameplay mechanic.

It's not actually. They could have a different culture and they still would be able to join invasions.

[Ellin Athinaios]

It's not actually. They could have a different culture and they still would be able to join invasions.

No... this is about religion, not culture. Their religion is "Followers of Melkor" (aka catholic, which enables them to join the Invasions/Crusades).

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Why does everyone confuse culture with religion?

[OfficerJohn]

No... this is about religion, not culture. Their religion is "Followers of Melkor" (aka catholic, which enables them to join the Invasions/Crusades).

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Why does everyone confuse culture with religion?

Because religion is called culture in-game?

[Baron Samedi]

No... this is about religion, not culture. Their religion is "Followers of Melkor" (aka catholic, which enables them to join the Invasions/Crusades).

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Why does everyone confuse culture with religion?

LOL, what are you talking about? You seem to be the confused one here.
The possibility for Isengard to join invasions is based upon their religion. To be able to join an invasion (crusade in vanilla) the faction has to be catholic. The religion of Isengard is catholic, just like Mordor, Rhun, OoTMM & Harad. Thats why they can join invasions, not because of their cultures which differs from each other (Rhun & Harad have a different culture than Isengard, Mordor & OoTMM together="Followers of Melkor" )

[OfficerJohn]

1.

No... this is about religion, not culture. Their religion is "Followers of Melkor"

The possibility for Isengard to join invasions is based upon their religion.

2.

(aka catholic, which enables them to join the Invasions/Crusades).

To be able to join an invasion (crusade in vanilla) the faction has to be catholic. The religion of Isengard is catholic, just like Mordor, Rhun, OoTMM & Harad. Thats why they can join invasions,

3.

Why does everyone confuse culture with religion?

not because of their cultures which differs from each other (Rhun & Harad have a different culture than Isengard, Mordor & OoTMM together="Followers of Melkor" )

I rest my case.

[Ellin Athinaios]

LOL, what are you talking about? You seem to be the confused one here.

You wrote exactly what I wrote, right after quoting Tropical Bob (who said that the common religion is necessary for the sake of gameplay mechanics - that is, the invasions) and disagreeing with him...

namely Isengard can have a different culture in-game and still be able to join invasions, because they remain catholic which is their religion in-game. Is that so hard to understand?

Which is also what I said...

The religion of Isengard in-game is not ''Followers of Melkor''.

What? Didn't you say just now that Isengard is catholic in-game?...

'Followers of Melkor' IS catholic.

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Who is confused here?

[zumbum]

Because Isengard's already much harrowed expansion due to culture would be even worse with a faction-specific culture.

[Louis Lux]

The Rhovanion campaign was led by the forces of Dol Guldur, controlled by Mordor, the participation of OotMM in the war of the ring is basically just the Moria fight and the attack on Lórien that was not very great.

[OfficerJohn]

The Rhovanion campaign was led by the forces of Dol Guldur, controlled by Mordor, the participation of OotMM in the war of the ring is basically just the Moria fight and the attack on Lórien that was not very great.

Wait, Dol Guldur... right.

I'm just thinking back at Frodo standing at Amon Hen, but I guess those Goblins just swarmed out to get a tan or something.

[OfficerJohn]

Baron, did you just quote the wrong person or something? Because quoting someone, saying you disagree and then say the exact same thing as the person you quoted said seems kind of stupid to me...

[Baron Samedi]

Baron, did you just quote the wrong person or something? Because quoting someone, saying you disagree and then say the exact same thing as the person you quoted said seems kind of stupid to me...

Officer, do you even read posts of other people before you spam the forum with your useless posts? Now thats seems kinda stupid to me. I did not say the exact thing. My first post in this thread was refering to game mechanics, namely Isengard can have a different culture in-game and still be able to join invasions, because they remain catholic which is their religion in-game. Is that so hard to understand? The religion of Isengard in-game is not ''Followers of Melkor''. This is the point I wanted to make clear in my second post.