boromir hopeless in melee ?

[intel]

1. Gandalf is the strongest and deadliest of the Fellowship, I think we can safely assure that in melee as well
2. Boromir's infatry BG indeed suck. Frankly, I'd prefer him to have a very experienced (3 bronze chevrons) Gondor Infatry unit, composed of 150 men on huge. That would reflect the fact that he was more associated and popular amongst ordinary soldier. I'd imagine him to rather having a unit of faithful soldier than a elite squadron of Citadel Guards.

[OfficerJohn]

1. Gandalf is the strongest and deadliest of the Fellowship, I think we can safely assure that in melee as well

But... but... his magic... that's cheating!

2. Boromir's infatry BG indeed suck. Frankly, I'd prefer him to have a very experienced (3 bronze chevrons) Gondor Infatry unit, composed of 150 men on huge. That would reflect the fact that he was more associated and popular amongst ordinary soldier. I'd imagine him to rather having a unit of faithful soldier than a elite squadron of Citadel Guards.

Actually, I agree.

[Mikail Mengsk]

1. Gandalf is the strongest and deadliest of the Fellowship, I think we can safely assure that in melee as well

There is a difference between raw melee ability and strenght, and the "power" inside a Maiar. Probably Boromir, in the middle of a melee fight, will prove even better than Gandalf because he's a trained and seasoned warrior. Gandalf isn't a "common" warrior, his abilities are different.

So, Gandalf can take down a Balrog (very far from Boromir's strenght), but probably Boromir could handle a close fight with 5-6 orcs better than Gandalf. Gandalf fought against many orcs during Bilbo's travel to Erebor across the Misty Mountains, but he is not a mere "warrior".

[OfficerJohn]

There is a difference between raw melee ability and strenght, and the "power" inside a Maiar. Probably Boromir, in the middle of a melee fight, will prove even better than Gandalf because he's a trained and seasoned warrior. Gandalf isn't a "common" warrior, his abilities are different.

So, Gandalf can take down a Balrog (very far from Boromir's strenght), but probably Boromir could handle a close fight with 5-6 orcs better than Gandalf. Gandalf fought against many orcs during Bilbo's travel to Erebor across the Misty Mountains, but he is not a mere "warrior".

That leads us back to me saying: "it depends"

[Mikail Mengsk]

I agree, that's why i spammed "probably"

[Point Blank]

Don't forget Gandalf's special hero ability 'Power of the White Rider' etc representing magic.

[Point Blank]

Gandalf specifically says when Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas re-meet him in Fangorn that 'none of you posess a weapon that could harm me' or something to that effect.

And IMHO Aragorn is superior to Boromir in melee whatever, his bloodline is certainly superior.

[servium]

u need to keep in mind that boromir was heavily damaged by the ring. he didnt sleep well didnt ate much and was just drained by his will to get the ring.
ik osgiliath he was a bad ass orckiller. i agree in osgiliath he could kill small groups of orcs. but im sure boromir is able te lead a big battle.
the guy just rocks and is really nice, show some gradutude and make him powerfull before the ring took him

[OfficerJohn]

Yes, he was heavily damaged by the Ring, and wasn't really himself before at Amon Hen... I think...

[eugenioso]

what the ing wub happened with this thread? this aint no argument thread, this was discussion based IN GAME

[kynes]

agreed. the other stuff about boromir vs aragorn or vs gandalf. and what effect the ring had on boromir could be in the tolkien general discussion thread.

hopefully one of the mod team will see this thread, or my post in the suggestions thread. is this something that could be fixed ? does it require a scripting change ? or a new animation for infantry generals ?

[Kwisatz Haderach]

I would think that it is a fixable bug if it is just an animation issue. Many of the units in Third Age are not using standard animations, but then again I don't know if animations for generals are hardcoded. It would be strange if it was just a major bug that can't be fixed; because in custom battles infantry captains don't have any problems fighting, nor can I remember any problems with infantry generals in the original game (Aztecs and Henry V).

[OfficerJohn]

I think it's a fixable bug, yes...
I feel sad that it's there, to be honest.

[Mac-Picsou]

Ok, first of all, i have to admitt that boromir is a real in melee in the game.

I know that tolkien describe him as the best warrior of the communauty, so i don't see why aragorn, gimli and legolas are 8000* stronger than him in the game.
So i would like to see him get more HP and maybe one attack more.

But i'm against making gandalf a in melee, i know that boromir is probably stronger than him against big groups of orcs, but the Hp and the attack are the only way in the game to show that gandalf is a magician and so to reflect his magic power, so the classment should(in my point of vue) be like this:
gandalf > boromir > aragorn.

[Muffer Nl]

Actually Tolkien describe it more as Gandalf -> Legolas -> Aragorn = Gimli -> Boromir = Faramir -> Merry = pippin -> Sam = Frodo

[Mac-Picsou]

No, that's false, tolkien describe clearly in the first book that boromir was the best warrior of the fellowship .

[old_dude]

Now back on the topic of Boromir in-game. If you want to use his bodyguard to rack up experience and not loose him in the process do this..
Just wait until the rest of your infantry has the orcs pinned down then charge him on a vector that will allow his bodyguard to engage in melee but Boromir and his banner carrier will get caught up on the backs of his own troops. Get him some gold chevrons like this and he'll last longer in an honest melee.

[Darthvegeta800]

Well according to the official Tolkien lore, Boromir was immensely strong. He was the warrior of the Fellowship. Been many many years since I last read the novels. But didn't he perform some most impressive physical feat in the mountains?

[Salkin]

It was clearly stated in the books that Boromir was the strongest (physically) of the fellowship - He cleared a path through the snow using only his arms. But there's no evidence as far as I remember that he should be the best warrior in the fellowship.

[Mac-Picsou]

Ok, so we are agree, tolkien clearly described him as the strongest and the best warrior of the fellowship, so he should be as it in the game.