Mongol is lacking melee infantry?

[Lone Crusader]

Hi guys,

I decided to test out the mongols in late era campaign, and I noticed that they dont really have much melee infantry. How are you supposed to fight battles in close quarters? Like in the beginning of the campaign it looks like mongol infantry, which are archers, seem to be the best melee infantry I have. How can I use archers effectively in battle? Am I have to gonna just run em´up and close to the enemy until they meet or what? They cant charge neither? So im really screwed in siege battles?? Any tips&pointers would be much appreciated.

[Rean]

Hmm, hold alt and then right click on the enemy unit, this will make them change to theirs swords and charge the enemy

[Lone Crusader]

!! I did not know about that, I never owned the manual for this game. Thanks a lot!!!

[Concrete]

!! I did not know about that, I never owned the manual for this game. Thanks a lot!!!

Hahahah, I couldn't imagine not knowing about that.
As for how to use them, don't use them as infantry.
Use a bulk of archers as a stable centre of an army, with a few cannon fodder units infront of them.
Ranged cavalry(most important) are sent out to attack, whether you are attacking or defending.
Try and keep them away from enemy foot archers as much as possible, and target spearmen.
Horse archers are also able to kite and less eliminate enemy melee cavalry.

Your melee cavalry, are your primary melee force.
You must mainly rely upon the horse archers, (horse archers and foot archers in defence) to be your main force., with the melee cavalry a situational unit. (Making melee situational.)
Imagine a storm of arrows messing up an opposing force, the arrows would cause many casualties, but not enough to win, but the storm would also mess up the composition of the force.
Melee cavalry are your tide changing unit in certain circumstances.
For example, your horse archers harass the flanks of their army, and the enemy calvary finally run off and chase your horse archers, while they are on that foolish endeavor, a spot in the enemy's ranks opened up.
Shove a unit of your heavy cavalry there if the expossed units are archers or non-spear infantry.
And remember, melee cavalry as your main melee force do not repeatedly brawl, they charge, retreat, and repeat.

Winning a battle of attrition this way is made possible by the horse archers, you usually don't even need foot soldiers.
Have fun playing as the Golden horde, they are an excellent faction.

[sbroadbent]

As has been said, ranged battle is going to be your meat and potatoes. Shoot them up with arrows, and charge at the survivors. When I was analyzing the enemy composition and realized that any army I'd put up against the approaching horde, would need mobility. I would be unlikely to outshoot them, and if I tried by adding more archers, the lack of spears would leave me wide open, so I gathered up all my cavalry into a Mongol crushing force

Your lack of spears (I'm assuming the Mongols don't have native spears) is going to be your weakness, so you'd probably want to focus on cutting down cavalry to prevent them from charging into your own.

It took me a while to find the key that enables you to use the alternate attack, even though I knew it was there somewhere. Not sure if the in-game help menu listed it.

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

The Mongols have the basic spear militia in cities, and armored spear out of castles at the higher levels. This is the SS 6.2 Mongols, it is my understanding that other versions have even scarier roosters. To have anything past a few units to use as a pinning force for the Mongol hvy cav would be acting out of character.

Try and remember what it is like fighting the Mongols... "Bad ju ju..."
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[Rean]

Np

[hereagain]

who needs melee noobs when you can shoot the bad guys full of arrows in siege. blow the wall to pieces with rebuches whatever and rocket launches

[NewUser]

Really, the ranged capabilities of the Mongols greatly overshadows the melee necessity, you don't need melee.

[toluas]

But there's nothing half as funny as entering the fray...

[Lone Crusader]

Wow, mongols really kick ass. I won already 2 heroic victories
( 1st battle, enemy : 1300 men, me 1000men. 2nd battle, enemy 1500 men, me 1200 men ) casualties for me of those battles combined would be about 60 - 100 men dead. Takes a lot of micro - managing, but their cavalry just kicks ass! And now, As I learned of the alternative attack - button, horse archers are a much bigger help for me than what they had been before. Now playing turn 3

[Gogolometro]

Try RR-RC mongols, there will get what you want, even melee infantry and they are "very mongol".

[Lone Crusader]

Do mongols get any reinforcements later in the game? and what are the best ways to get some money quickly ( i am turning in some serious negative profits, because of my huge armies ) except for looting all the towns and conquering cities as many you can? Because I will end up in debt If I go on like this, those damn trebuchets are taking far too long to move from one city to another one..

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

Well you could give some of your overkill forces da pink slip, that's what I did. All that high powed, movement inhibiting siege equipment, Gone!!!!! They want to get in a city? climb over da walls like everyone else...