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    http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...971353,00.html

    Pope Benedict XVI's triumphant return to his Bavarian hometown of Marktl am Inn four years ago — his first since becoming Pontiff — was made all the more poignant by the presence of his older brother, Georg Ratzinger. Five decades after they'd entered seminary together, the new Pontiff and the retired church-choir director stepped with the same soft gait and wavy white hair into the town's tiny riverside chapel. Praying silently side by side, they might just as well have been an aging pair of humble village priests.
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    But that tender image has been shattered by recent allegations that young singers in the famed Regensburger Domspatzen choir, which the elder Ratzinger directed from 1964 to 1994, have suffered sexual abuse and beatings at the hands of priests since the 1950s. Though the retired Ratzinger, 86, denies any knowledge of sexual abuse during his time with the choir, he has admitted to slapping several singers and apologized for not having intervened to limit the crueler beatings that have been alleged by others.

    "At the beginning, I would often slap people on the face, but actually, I always had a bad conscience about it," he told the Bavarian newspaper Passauer Neue Presse on Tuesday. Ratzinger said he would have intervened had he known about the "scale" of the violence. "The boys would tell me what happened at the school, and I knew that the rector there was violent and would beat the boys hard and that he would do it for no reason," he said. "I was glad in 1980 when corporal punishment was banned."

    Others, however, claim Ratzinger must have known more at the time. Franz Wittenbrink, a former singer who lived at the Regensburg boarding school connected with the choir from 1958 to 1967, tells TIME it was "unimaginable" that Ratzinger hadn't heard about cases of sexual abuse during his time as director. Wittenbrink alleges that there was a "widespread system of sadistic punishments and sexual lust" at the school and in the choir. He says he was physically abused by young men in training to become priests at the school who would routinely smack him on the bottom with their hands or sticks. "This amounted to sexual humiliation," he says. "I was scared and I was shocked."

    The reverberations from the scandal have been felt at the Vatican, where the Holy See spokesman was compelled to respond directly to the abuse allegations — a task that is typically handled by someone on the diocesan level. The spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, said on Tuesday that German church authorities acted "promptly and decisively" to investigate the allegations after they emerged. Neither Lombardi nor the Pope himself, however, has commented on Ratzinger's admissions of slapping young people or failing to address wider suspicions of violence. The head of the German Bishops' Conference, Archbishop Robert Zollitsch, who made a public apology last week, is slated to meet with the Pope on Friday to further discuss the widening scandal.

    Benedict's native Germany has been rocked by a series of clergy-abuse allegations since January, when former students at Berlin's élite Jesuit high school, Canisius College, went public with accusations against two former priests at the institution. Similar allegations then emerged at other Catholic schools and institutions in Germany, including a Benedictine monastery and several boarding schools. German Justice Minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger condemned the "wall of silence" within the Catholic hierarchy, accusing the church of hiding behind a 2001 Vatican directive that called for cases of abuse to be investigated internally before going to state authorities. "This directive makes clear that even serious abuse allegations fall under papal confidentiality and thus should not be forwarded on outside the church," she said.

    Chris Weisner, spokesman for the German Catholic reform organization We Are Church, says the group's sex-abuse hotline has received an average of six calls a day from alleged victims in recent weeks and that 18 of Germany's 27 dioceses have been touched by the scandal. "Abuse is widespread," Weisner tells TIME. "The church is investigating the cases very reluctantly. [But] it has a duty to uphold moral standards. Catholics in Germany are extremely disappointed and angry."

    Lombardi insists that church leaders in Germany are committed to addressing the problem. "They have shown a desire for transparency. In a way, they have accelerated bringing the problem to light by inviting the victims to speak up even when the cases dated to a while back," Lombardi told Vatican Radio earlier this week. James Martin, a Jesuit priest and associate editor of the New York–based Catholic magazine America, says Benedict, too, has been notably more eager than his predecessors to confront the issue of clergy sex abuse, having held an unprecedented meeting with victims on his trip to the U.S. in 2008.
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    Still, the allegations in Germany could have far greater resonance, given the possible personal implications for Benedict. "The Pope is more familiar with the church in Germany than with that in any other country, so any accusations of abuse would probably affect him far more," says Martin. "It cannot fail to evoke strong personal emotions from the Holy Father." And the allegations are yet another reminder of how far the sins of clergy abuse may have reached in the Catholic Church.
    Not sure what to make out of this. But apparently the sex abuse crisis in the catholic church is far from over.
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    it's god's way telling you he loves you.
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    Catholic Priests caught fiddling little boys? SINCE WHEN?!

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    With so much publicity, if either of the Ratzinger brothers or higher level vatican authorities were involved it should come out. We've seen the same thing else where, our society is so accepting of people coming forward these days, perhaps we even expect it from them a little and they probably expect it from themselves. The average pedophile is a repeat offender with 25 victims or more, so if you come forward about details in such a highly public case their should be a lot of other victims out there providing evidence to support your testimony.
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    The biggest shock about this topic is that Ferrets didn't post it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    The biggest shock about this topic is that Ferrets didn't post it.
    Haha, too true.


    Although, I do have to wonder if either or both of the Ratzingers are implicated in child abuse and pederasty themselves. By the way, I think the thread title, specifically the word "involved," is a bit misleading, since it implies that Georg Ratzinger is himself guilty of child abuse, which isn't what the article says.
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    here we go more, ammuntiton for people to make relgious stereotypes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moorish guy View Post
    here we go more, ammuntiton for people to make relgious stereotypes.
    It's not really is it? It's not a stereotype about all religions, it's another point of evidence that Catholic Church needs a serious overhaul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiyenyaa View Post
    It's not really is it? It's not a stereotype about all religions, it's another point of evidence that Catholic Church needs a serious overhaul.
    are you trying to say every preist is a pedofile or sexual offender thats like saying all black people love fried chicken and poetatoes. Great now you made me in hungry.
    I check into small hotel a few kilometers from Kiev. It is late. I am tired. I tell woman at desk I want a room. She tells me room number and give key. "But one more thing comrade; there is one room without number and always lock. Don't even peek in there." I take key and go to room to sleep. Night comes and I hear trickling of water. It comes from the room across. I cannot sleep so I open door. It is coming from room with no number. I pound on door. No response. I look in keyhole. I see nothing except red. Water still trickling. I go down to front desk to complain. "By the way who is in that room?" She look at me and begin to tell story. There was woman in there. Murdered by her husband. Skin all white, except her eyes, which were red. I tell her I don't give a . Stop the water trickling or give me refund. She gave me 100 ruble credit and free breakfast. Such is life in Moscow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moorish guy View Post
    are you trying to say every preist is a pedofile or sexual offender thats like saying all black people love fried chicken and poetatoes. Great now you made me in hungry.
    If you actually read what I wrote, I said the Catholic Church, not the preisthood. My beef isn't the fact that there are pedophiles within the church - any sufficiently large group of people is likely to have pedophiles in their midst.
    The problem is that Church has rules specifically designed to shield those accused from the justice system of the countries where they operate, and that the culture of celibacy specifically and the Catholic attitude to sex in general is in short not healthy, and doesn't apply for most people.

    To summarise - I'm not talking about Catholics in general, I am talking about Catholic dogma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiyenyaa View Post
    If you actually read what I wrote, I said the Catholic Church, not the preisthood. My beef isn't the fact that there are pedophiles within the church - any sufficiently large group of people is likely to have pedophiles in their midst.
    The problem is that Church has rules specifically designed to shield those accused from the justice system of the countries where they operate, and that the culture of celibacy specifically and the Catholic attitude to sex in general is in short not healthy, and doesn't apply for most people.

    To summarise - I'm not talking about Catholics in general, I am talking about Catholic dogma.
    oui then It would seem we disagree on little. and I did read what you wrote I just misunderstood.
    I check into small hotel a few kilometers from Kiev. It is late. I am tired. I tell woman at desk I want a room. She tells me room number and give key. "But one more thing comrade; there is one room without number and always lock. Don't even peek in there." I take key and go to room to sleep. Night comes and I hear trickling of water. It comes from the room across. I cannot sleep so I open door. It is coming from room with no number. I pound on door. No response. I look in keyhole. I see nothing except red. Water still trickling. I go down to front desk to complain. "By the way who is in that room?" She look at me and begin to tell story. There was woman in there. Murdered by her husband. Skin all white, except her eyes, which were red. I tell her I don't give a . Stop the water trickling or give me refund. She gave me 100 ruble credit and free breakfast. Such is life in Moscow

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    Don't the priests know i have to work along side protestants, i'll never hear the end of this.
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    will we just kill the Catholic Church now.
    or will we keep kicking her when she's down?

    the next all powerfully and when his dead (EVIL!) leader of the EU will finsh off the Catholic Church. (I say)
    Becouse you really can't use the Catholic Church for anything anymore. (well little)

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    LULZ!
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    I wonder if Cathol approved this kinda act.


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    why shall the pope be responsible for his brothers actions?
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    its scandals like these that makes me ashamed to say that I am catholic -___-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth_Revan View Post
    its scandals like these that makes me ashamed to say that I am catholic -___-
    Really? The whole belief in a 2,000 year old jewish zombie didn't phase you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nce_wht_guy View Post
    Really? The whole belief in a 2,000 year old jewish zombie didn't phase you?
    Time to churn out this old classic pic

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    But on topic, I really don't think that this new scandal is going to do the Catholic Church any favours as it reinforces the negative stereotype of kiddie fiddling paedophile predator priests.

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