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**Tirus** · March 14, 2010, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Taxandrius

I confirm that human conflict are of all time but where heavier in tribes, less heavy in cities, but got way more attention.

what now confirming ?

Nothing. But your post said that ''with less space and more people, the chance of conflicts is greater''. Which is true, especially when one lives in towns, and other confined spaces.

**Taxandrius** · March 14, 2010, 11:01 AM

does that make communism any better ?
does that make cities more evil ?

Double no

**Tirus** · March 14, 2010, 11:05 AM

So, what have you just proved then?

**Taxandrius** · March 14, 2010, 11:11 AM

I would say read the post, but I'm not sure commie governments would pay for schools to learn the proletariat to read

Logica:
1. hierarchy is of all times and part of society
2. argueing is of all times and part of society
3. eliminating hierarchy and conlflicts is impossible
4. implementing communism is impossible

**Tirus** · March 14, 2010, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by Taxandrius

I would say read the post, but I'm not sure commie governments would pay for schools to learn the proletariat to read

Logica:
1. hierarchy is of all times and part of society
2. argueing is of all times and part of society
3. eliminating hierarchy and conlflicts is impossible
4. implementing communism is impossible

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In your logica yes. In my logica, possibly no.
Do you mind me calling you a total basterd for telling me I can't read? Thanks.

**Lysimachus** · March 14, 2010, 11:19 AM

You honestly think eliminating conflict and hierarchy is actually possible?!

**Tirus** · March 14, 2010, 11:19 AM

There's always a way. Either crafted by humans, or cast down on us by nature.

**Lysimachus** · March 14, 2010, 11:21 AM

There's no point debating with you any further.

**Taxandrius** · March 14, 2010, 11:22 AM

There's always a way. Either crafted by humans, or cast down on us by nature.

good luck with that...oh, on your way, can you wake up my dog from death ? It isn't to hard ae ? There's always a way

Do you mind me calling you a total basterd for telling me I can't read? Thanks.

Yes ofcourse, in the first place because you didn't see the emoticon and the obvious joke....or did the reds take your sense of humour together with your money ?

**Tirus** · March 14, 2010, 11:29 AM

'The reds' as you call them, don't think that humour is appreciative in debates.
Mother nature can solve things, not have them reincarnate. Anyway, we're getting nowhere, this is starting to become a bit pointless.

**Taxandrius** · March 14, 2010, 11:51 AM

'The reds' as you call them, don't think that humour is appreciative in debates.

yeah right, we're already two pages from the real debate....like this is one

besides, the reds came with the best joke

**Tirus** · March 14, 2010, 11:52 AM

Yeh sure..

And lemme guess, the reds are the joke? ^^

**Taxandrius** · March 14, 2010, 11:54 AM

ofcourse

**jimmy spong** · March 14, 2010, 11:59 AM

of course this is going nowhere

we are talking about something we know lot about , they are talking about something they now

about

i can swear that none of them read a single book about class struggle marxism imperialism or anything , so its like im talking about marxism with 10 year old kid , because i believe they have almost equal knowledge on marxism as any kid from elementary school

**Pallantides** · March 14, 2010, 12:05 PM

Were is the TWC fascist political faction?

**Taxandrius** · March 14, 2010, 12:06 PM

we are talking about something we know lot about , they are talking about something they now about

i can swear that none of them read a single book about class struggle marxism imperialism or anything , so its like im talking about marxism with 10 year old kid , because i believe they have almost equal knowledge on marxism as any kid from elementary school

Ofcourse it is ! Let's call people with other ideas fools and idiots and pretend to be the most intelligent person on the world ! It sure helps the ego ...

**Alba gu Brath** · March 14, 2010, 12:14 PM

I don't know much about Communism, Marxism etc, but i'd just like to ask something:

I think it is true for the most part that as soon as communism is mentioned it's like "Oh no! Stalin, Mao - millions killed" but these guys were crazy dictators posing in favour of a communist ideal.

Now, most of the communist supporters in this thread have said that "true" communism has never been implemented and I would like to know why exactly? Why is it that people running in support of the idea branch off and dictate their own form of communism, Stalin, Mao etc. If it is such a good idea (not saying this sarcastically) then why has it never been implemented in it's truest form?

Is one of the most basic ideas of communism that people collectively govern themselves without a hierarchy? Can this realistically be achieved? IMO there is always going to be some who want that little bit more.

**jimmy spong** · March 14, 2010, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Taxandrius

Ofcourse it is ! Let's call people with other ideas fools and idiots and pretend to be the most intelligent person on the world ! It sure helps the ego ...

not necessary

be honest on how much you know about marxist theory

**Jingles** · March 14, 2010, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by nicoisbest

Tis not that all Communist states dissolve into dictatorships, for indeed none have existed. Of course, this brings up the question of why have all pro-communist revolution failed to bring about True Communism, to which I say this: Communism is (as repeated before a multitude of times) a stateless, classless, egalitarian ideology which cannot be put into practice except on a global form. Why is this so? Because as there is no state, there is no army; and such a Commune would quickly be labeled as anarchistic and be put down by capitalist nations.

Spot on here. In addition to that It's important to note that Marx, Engels Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, and just about every other Marxist leader and ideologist recognise that Communism can only be fully realised in a post-production society. It's for this reason that one of the main goals of the transitional socialist phase is the development of productive forces to the highest level.

Can a post-production society ever be created? I honestly don't know, but I'm willing to try.

It's also why capitalism can never aim at economic development as high as Marxism offers, because the development of a post-production society would effectively render capitalism completely redundant.

Originally Posted by Alba gu Brath

Is one of the most basic ideas of communism that people collectively govern themselves without a hierarchy? Can this realistically be achieved? IMO there is always going to be some who want that little bit more.

Again, it goes hand in hand with a post-production society - capitalistic ideals like you mention here don't have a purpose, because everyone has what they want/need.

Anarcho-communists don't believe that the transitional phase, the withering away of the state, and the development of productive forces is necessary, and that human society can jump straight to Communism. This, I believe is naive and foolish, and fairly devoid of logic, susceptible to many, if not all of the criticisms that you have aimed at Communism.

Anarchism or Socialism, by J.V. Stalin is a good article written by the manbearpig of Steel himself on these issues, and makes for informative reading on the subject, condensing a lot of Marxist theory into one article.