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[iudas]

Communism is not impossible. It's just extremely ludicrous and immoral to enforce it in the current global context, unless an overwhelming majority of people cheer for it, or a major calamity occurs.

[jimmy spong]

What the hell are you all nagging about Stalin ,


here you are Stalin !

[Strelok]

Basic top-left Stalinism philosophy: The freer the market the less effective the infantry!1

Is there anyone on TWC that supports Stalinism these days?

[Guy]

I'm starting to see some in-depth debate going on here about the different ends of communism. I'll probably write an article about it today. Should I post the new article here [in this thread]?

[Tirus]

I suppose you could..

[Jingles]

I'm starting to see some in-depth debate going on here about the different ends of communism. I'll probably write an article about it today. Should I post the new article here [in this thread]?

Edit it into the OP as well.

It's pretty laughable sometimes how little people understand about Marxist theory before criticising it. Not saying this is true of everyone, obviously... But I've seen posts in this thread that smack of pure ignorance.

Anyway, good job so far, Guy.

Edit: Guy, couple of pages back or so, I saw you posted that Stalin killed 100 million people? I may be a Trot, but even I'm ready to accept that it was nowhere near that number. Especially since that figure would technically constitute more than half of the entire population of the Soviet Union in the 1930s-40s, which, needless to say is ridiculous.

Also, I think it would be worth posting some links to key Marxist texts for people to read. I have a few good ones in my sig, but there are LOADS more.

[Taxandrius]

Oh .........

Nuh uh. The strive for superiority is something that's induced by the capitalist system. Before we lived in our current social structures (I mean by that pre-7000BC, before humankind knew how to grow crops) we only aimed to reproduce our kind and help our kind survive. We won't continue to try and surpass eachother as soon as we come into the same sort of situation as we were in 7000BC, humankind will automatically seek to just reproduce itself, and abandon inferior causes like 'surpassing eachother'. This moment is evitable, but may occur in the near future, because of extreme climatechange for example.
And by the way, capitalism tries to destroy certain emotions in later life; for example, reason is destroyed (or surpassed, as you like it) by greed, pity by pride, and so on.

LOL

no, EPIC LOL

before 7000BC we were all happy people who helped each other ? Yeah right...every tribe has and always will have its hierarchy, there will always be a strongest male which is most likely to become chief of the tribe. The others have to fit in and listen to him if thy want to stay in the tribe. This method was the most effective method of survival: eliminating personal resistance to get movin'.
The argument you just stated is quite paradoxal: humankind only wants to reproduce.....it's the goal to reproduce as much as possible, just as the guy next to you. Conclusion ? You need a fight for the gals. The winner gets to reproduce, the loser has to follow the rules of the winner.
If Humankind was a happy tribe before 7000BC, why exactly did they have the same behaviour as ALL animals ? Both animals and humans follow only one rule: Homo homini lupus.
Lions kill the offspring of their rivals when they conquer new wives...deer fight...etc. It would be strange if man was different....



What's this whole thread about ? Useless extra commie propaganda ? COME ON , is that the way you want to enforce your ideas ? Please....

[Hobbes]

I trully support the Communism. Well done Guy.

[rusina]

Nuh uh. The strive for superiority is something that's induced by the capitalist system. Before we lived in our current social structures (I mean by that pre-7000BC, before humankind knew how to grow crops) we only aimed to reproduce our kind and help our kind survive. We won't continue to try and surpass eachother as soon as we come into the same sort of situation as we were in 7000BC, humankind will automatically seek to just reproduce itself, and abandon inferior causes like 'surpassing eachother'. This moment is evitable, but may occur in the near future, because of extreme climatechange for example.

How do you know that?

[Ratbag]

He has a time-machine.

[rusina]

Oh, cool.

[Jingles]

It's a bad argument, seeing as how it goes against Marx's theory of Historical Materialism.

Though I think the main point is that human nature, and its attitudes towards things like hierarchy and individualism are constantly changing, so the "human nature" argument is pretty weak.

[iudas]

Marx's biggest mistake was dropping religion and going for boring faux scientific argumentation. He should've stuck with a religious backing for a philosophy. Christianity and communism go particularly well together. Hey guys, let's donate all of our money to the Church/commune! Huzzah!

[Jingles]

tbh, I don't think he ever did "drop" religion exactly - to be more precise, he dropped the Church as an institution, which is subtly different. Hell, I and many other Commies are also christians too. And, tbh, Jesus was as socialist as they came back then.

[Strelok]

Marx's biggest mistake was dropping religion and going for boring faux scientific argumentation. He should've stuck with a religious backing for a philosophy. Christianity and communism go particularly well together. Hey guys, let's donate all of our money to the Church/commune! Huzzah!

That would corrupt a good portion of my positive view on Marxism.

[iudas]

How exactly was Jesus a socialist if he had no idea what "economy" and "state" meant, let alone have an opinion on their function?

[Jingles]

Well, he was quite into the whole rich people = bad, poor people = not thing. If the bible is to be believed, that is.

And throwing out the moneylenders from the temple was pretty badass.

Anyway, if we want to be pedantic, then "socialistic" would be a better way of describing him.

[Taxandrius]

Well, he was quite into the whole rich people = bad, poor people = not thing. If the bible is to be believed, that is.

And throwing out the moneylenders from the temple was pretty badass

remarks:

1. not at all, read the story of Zacheüs, he was filthy rich and corrupt, and still Jesus ate with him. Jesus' stories are mostly anti-aristocracy BECAUSE aristocracy = priests and sofistic (as in the way they teach, not the theories) teachers.

2. He threw em out because the Temple was a sacred place, not because they were liberal

OT: Marx biggest mistake was forgetting Hobbes

[jimmy spong]

Marx's biggest mistake was dropping religion and going for boring faux scientific argumentation. He should've stuck with a religious backing for a philosophy. Christianity and communism go particularly well together. Hey guys, let's donate all of our money to the Church/commune! Huzzah!

no they dont
relligion tells a man to rely on god

marxism says man to rely on his will and brain

relligion says that god creates destiny

marxism says man creates his destiny

[Taxandrius]

marxism says man to rely on his will and brain unpredictable others with the temper of a predator that wants the best part of the prey

there you go