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    The United States has large, and influential news networks that are severely biased and comments on each politician according to his party membership. MSNBC does this, Fox does this. watching both for some time now, each old man in front of the T.V. slanders their political opposites in the most immature way. no, not calling them or faggots, but close to calling them failures (msnbc criticizing glen beck for not getting massa to spill info on rumors, and wanting him to point fingers at his associates; and beck getting angry and saying "sorry for wasting your time" just because massa wouldn't slander someone). it looked like to girls gossiping.

    This along with years of discontent among the US people over Iraq, Afghanistan and the economy is fracturing the unity of the people against each other. more and more people are turning to internet for news; primarily 18-29 years of age. but voters as of 2000 and 2004 elections tend to be older than that, so they may watch the news on TV or the newspaper (newspapers well where i live are not biased IMO at least, since i tried to find bias in it). but that still left the news stations.

    Are these biased new channels to blame? also, it's been going around that Fox was responsible for fueling the tea party activists. if true, then these biased news stations have alot of power over an average American.

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    Internet for your news it is then.

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    No, the issue certainly began before Internet news really took off. 24-hour news was really the beginning of the crap show.

    Interesting that it's the first (CNN) where one can still rely on finding some semblance of actual news.
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    The press has always presented itself with a bias, and has always tried to shape opinion. The reason it may seem more fractured now is that there are more sources with different bias's instead of the same big ones that dominated for years.

    I'd rather have 2 biases sources giving 'their sides' with other ways to investigate (the net) then one source pretending to be unbiased.

    Speaking of bias....

    In times of great revolutionary activity, when class struggle contradictions burst onto the political arena, the media has a big role to play. Take for example the ongoing Bolivarian Revolution in Venezuela. Privately owned media in Venezuela has become the face of the counter-revolution’s campaign of misinformation in the country and abroad. Corporate media in the US has functioned similarly, calling President Hugo Chavez a tyrant and giving no coverage to the achievements of the Venezuelan working class. Ruling class media can recognize that working class victories abroad are contrary to the interests of their class here at home. Likewise, working people can see that a working class triumph in any part of the world is in their interest as a class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    The press has always presented itself with a bias, and has always tried to shape opinion. The reason it may seem more fractured now is that there are more sources with different bias's instead of the same big ones that dominated for years.

    I'd rather have 2 biases sources giving 'their sides' with other ways to investigate (the net) then one source pretending to be unbiased.

    Speaking of bias....

    http://www.socialistappeal.org/content/view/819/73/

    That isn't really a bias, it may border on editorializing and isn't necessarily relevant, it is a feature - not a news piece, so there is a bit of a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slurricane View Post
    That isn't really a bias, it may border on editorializing and isn't necessarily relevant, but it is a feature, not a news piece, so there is a bit of a difference.
    Kinda like Fox

    I agree though that editorial style bias is a far less 'crime' than the more subtle slanted news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Kinda like Fox

    I agree though that editorial style bias is a far less 'crime' than the more subtle slanted news.
    Not quite like FOX, That was largely an opinion piece, and the site it comes from has both Opinion and News pieces, while FOX and other corporate sources claim to be "Straight News" The bias would be severely reduced if corporate media separated the "News" and Opinion sections of it's programming.
    The reason it may seem more fractured now is that there are more sources with different bias's instead of the same big ones that dominated for years.
    The belief that there is that much of a difference may be a little bit deceptive, they may be a bit sectarian, but they still uphold the same type of bias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    No, the issue certainly began before Internet news really took off. 24-hour news was really the beginning of the crap show.

    Interesting that it's the first (CNN) where one can still rely on finding some semblance of actual news.
    i dunno bout that; whilst CNN pieces can be quite intelligent and well researched, the vast majority are gradually becoming more and more like the crap that spews forth from Faux News or RT.
    i used to like watching the BBC as well, until it the bias became more and more unbearable.

    i prefer theinternet, from a wide array of sources than from a single news channel

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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    No, the issue certainly began before Internet news really took off. 24-hour news was really the beginning of the crap show.

    Interesting that it's the first (CNN) where one can still rely on finding some semblance of actual news.
    I always appreciate it when someone drops CNN name in the same sentence as News. What people don't realize is while FOX can be biased rather openly, CNN carefully crafts and hides its bias in what it doesn't say. I can think of no better example than their endless discourse on healthcare prior to the bill falling on its ass.
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    bits and pieces

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    The media has had an instrumental part in altering public opinion since the founding of this nation.


    I don't see why this is news to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 43rdFoot View Post
    The media has had an instrumental part in altering public opinion since the founding of this nation.


    I don't see why this is news to you.
    >make a topic for discussion/debate
    >call it news

    you use that word, i don't think you know what that word means.jpg

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    televised news isnt relevent in the grand scheme of current events. This is the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angrychris View Post
    televised news isnt relevent in the grand scheme of current events. This is the point.
    It isn't? I get the feeling that you aren't quite aware how influential 24-hour news is in American public discourse, which would make sense if you were European or some such.
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    I hate all of them (CNBC, FOX News, and CNN). I hate how FOX News advertises its opinion shows as news shows. That is what pisses me off. And of course how they can turn such a smart woman (Gretchen Carlson) into an idiot who has to google words like czar, etc.


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    Damn your critiquing. Top ranked AMerican news stations broad cast mostly irrelevent segments over and over again pertaining to political agendas and fear instead of more important coverage (legislature/wars) that encompass many important aspects in the broader picture of current events.

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    Well then you should count yourself lucky if you live in a society tha understands it to be garbage rather than eating it up and regurgitating it ad nauseum.
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    Im american but i over generalize way to much.

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    There is bias, but the bias is shared, there isn't any corporate media source in America without a bias, to say X source is more biased than Y is largely a game which these "News" sources like to play to discredit each other, but in the end they are all corporate media outlets, serving corporate interests.
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    In the society in which we currently find ourselves, class society, a small minority of the population holds ownership and control over industry, banks and all major means for producing wealth. Because we, the workers, do not get to enjoy this wealth, although we create it, our lives are reduced to working for wages that disappear when we pay the bills. How does the ruling class keep us putting up with such a lifestyle?

    One way is the fact that the ruling class’s ideology permeates contemporary culture and dominates the media.
    On the surface, media sources constantly accuse each other of having a “left wing” or “right wing” bias, but the bickering just obscures the inner workings of a media system owned and operated in the interests of the corporate shareholders and advertisers, not the interests of working people. In 1997, the CEO of CBS/Westinghouse said, “We are here to serve our advertisers. That is our raison d‘être (reason for existing).”

    A small and decreasing number of multi-billionaire media conglomerates with vast holdings in several areas of industry own virtually the entire media system. Two decades ago it was “The Big Ten” businesses that dominated all areas of media. Now it’s “The Big Six.” They own all the largest film studios, television programs, cable systems, book publishing, magazines, newspapers, record labels, Internet websites, retail, telephone systems, even sports teams and theme parks! The six biggest media companies worldwide are AOL/Time Warner, Walt Disney Co, Bertelsmann AG, Viacom, News Corporation, and Vivendi Universal. In the US, the top five are Disney, Viacom, Time Warner, News Corp and General Electric, which together own a whopping 90% of the media market.

    Over the years, fewer companies have come to dominate the market, partly because the most powerful companies cooperate to eliminate their competition. This concentration of capital is one of the central tendencies of a capitalist economy. This means the media system is effectively owned and controlled by only the wealthiest handful of companies in the business.

    The consequence of such a system is that it provides news, analysis and debate, only so far as it does not pose a threat to the ruling class or expose the full extent its activities. Journalists, editors, and staff of corporate media are surrounded by and inevitably internalize corporate values. Media sources may appear to debate hot issues, but if they can help it, they rarely touch on topics that fundamentally affect their shareholders and advertisers.

    As University of Illinois professor Robert McChesney said in the article “The New Global Media; It’s a Small World of Big Conglomerates,” published in The Nation magazine: “…the media giants are significant beneficiaries of the current social structure around the world, and any upheaval in property or social relations -- particularly to the extent that it reduces the power of business -- is not in their interest.”

    The past decades have been filled with imperialist interventions of different sorts, almost invariably to protect corporate interests and capital flow. But the media rarely questions the government’s right to invade any country at any moment for any reason. Administration officials and foreign policy spokespeople often talk about “spreading democracy.” What imperialism is really spreading is the reach of capital and access to resources and new markets. Although this should be of great concern to the working class majority, corporate media never questions the equation of free markets with “democracy.”

    A report entitled “Project Censored” explains the phenomenon of self-censorship in capitalist media: “It is illustrative that the Today Show on NBC -- a network owned by General Electric -- removed mention of defective GE-made bolts from a correspondent’s news report in November 1989. And it’s telling that the program’s producers told a guest expert on consumer boycotts not to mention a major boycott targeting GE. But it’s unlikely that anyone from GE’s front office specifically ordered Today Show producers to protect the company’s image. No one had to. That’s how self-censorship works.”

    In times of great revolutionary activity, when class struggle contradictions burst onto the political arena, the media has a big role to play. Take for example the ongoing Bolivarian Revolution in Venezuela. Privately owned media in Venezuela has become the face of the counter-revolution’s campaign of misinformation in the country and abroad. Corporate media in the US has functioned similarly, calling President Hugo Chavez a tyrant and giving no coverage to the achievements of the Venezuelan working class. Ruling class media can recognize that working class victories abroad are contrary to the interests of their class here at home. Likewise, working people can see that a working class triumph in any part of the world is in their interest as a class.

    Amid the ruling class-dominated media system, the socialist point of view is slowly gaining territory. After all, working people living through the humdrum motions of wage labor can feel the misery of a system based on exploitation. A new generation of workers and youth are growing increasingly class conscious and working class tools like the Socialist Appeal are a precious instrument for the growing movement.

    The capitalist world we live in today contains the seeds of a socialist tomorrow. The working class has all the tools it needs to run society – but it doesn’t control them. Through the socialist revolution and the democratization of the media under the control and management of working people, we will at last experience true freedom of expression and the press.
    http://www.socialistappeal.org/content/view/819/73/
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    Every news channel is biased someway somehow. Take your own opinions on things by watching both biased channels and add them together.

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