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    I'm writing an essay *gonna try to get it published* in which world peace can be captured through having a 100% law of morality rather than what we have. I'm on the part trying to write about the morals of the Koran and the Tanakh. I need help with those moral teachings. Also if some Atheists would like to tell the morals in which they personally believe in that would be great to.

    World peace is possible and it is close.
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    I'd love to know how you come to the conclusion that world peace is close (I do agree that it's possible - just very, very unlikely).

    Anyway, you'll probably find it hard to come up with any sort of unified "atheist morality" because the only thing that unifies atheists is a lack of belief in god. For something closer to the money (i.e. a fairly popular ethical system for irreligious people) try looking into Humanism (specifically Secular Humanism).

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    Humanism is the only thing that can save our little blue dot.

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    The essay i am writing is "The Truth of the Common People* since it is with them i believe is where we will get World Peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pericles_plato View Post
    The essay i am writing is "The Truth of the Common People* since it is with them i believe is where we will get World Peace.
    Oh wow, that's an original theory.

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    I'll post part the essay on the writing forum for help with the writing part. Just need help in writing the religious part.
    Humanism is the moral for the non-religious???
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    Quote Originally Posted by pericles_plato View Post
    I'll post part the essay on the writing forum for help with the writing part. Just need help in writing the religious part.
    Humanism is the moral for the non-religious???
    Not universally - but it's fairly popular (at least amongst those involved in the "New-Atheist" movement).
    Like I said - the problem with the irreligious is that the only thing that is common to them is the lack of religion - any other belief can potentially be held.

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    So how would i try to bring them togethor? By saying the laws of morality? In the good of preventing any war and having everlasting peace in the world?
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    If you're trying to get the article published amd writing on this topic, I would suggest going beyond just reading the Qur'an and Tanakh and browsing law codes and legal manuals from classical Islam and the rabbinical era.
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    I found a quote in the Koran about when they ask for peace accept it. I'll use that. It's won't really be a long essay just more of a dagger thrown and hitting a bullseye. Straight to the point really. I will change it if I should.

    If you want to help tell me so I can PM y'all the stuff.
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    "Atheistic" beliefs: moral values shift from time to time and very from place to place. Of course, there are exceptions (for example, rape and murder will always be immoral and reprehensible). However, when it comes to the selection of your clothes, the way you socialize, the 'mixing' of genders, marriages, etc, etc, values have been seen as continuously changing. Therefore, the fixed moral value system of the Abrahamic religions is deeply flawed.

    Also, I don't like using the word 'atheist' because it indirectly denotes that it's a philosophy or 'religion' that's followed. 'Atheists,' unlike Muslims and Jews, have only one thing in common - that they've seen the evidence and they know that the flying magic man does not exist. Apart from that, they may differ on many aspects of life - some may be considered liberal, others as conservatives.
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    Hmm. Well if you can, it might be better to get an actual rabbi to inform you on morality in the tanach, But even then it can be confusing, Theres already Orthodox , Conservative and reform judaism, and between them theres ashkenazi and sephardi as well as a few other groups that disagree on fundamental matters, and even then rabbis have a lot of freedom to interpret the torah by their own opinions on many matters. Judaism in itself has 613 mitzvot, which you could consider "Rules" or "acts" which is a lot to go over.

    Im not sure if its any better in Islam, you have Sunni and Shia as the main sects, but there are lots of smaller ones too.And then theres the Hadiths..But i guess I dont really know much about that.

    Youve chosen a pretty tough subject if theres any.
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    what about non abrahamic religions?
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    The majority of the violence and hate come from the Abrahamic religions. If you want to add differant religoins you can i'll change the title.
    I was actually inspired by the song "One Day" by Matisyahu.
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    This essay sounds like it will be entirely and utterly shocking. You could not have missed the point more if you tried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorch View Post
    This essay sounds like it will be entirely and utterly shocking. You could not have missed the point more if you tried.
    That is your opinion. I am a believer on the Enlightenment philosophies and that of faith.
    Though i am actually hitting the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pericles_plato View Post
    That is your opinion. I am a believer on the Enlightenment philosophies and that of faith.
    Though i am actually hitting the point.
    Quote Originally Posted by yourself
    I'm writing an essay *gonna try to get it published* in which world peace can be captured through having a 100% law of morality rather than what we have.
    We can make the entire world population of 6 billion people co-exist in perfect peace by enforcing an arbitrary law of morality on them, and to find that morality you are looking to religious scriptures of the most violent kind?

    ... yeah you're missing the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorch View Post
    We can make the entire world population of 6 billion people co-exist in perfect peace by enforcing an arbitrary law of morality on them, and to find that morality you are looking to religious scriptures of the most violent kind?

    ... yeah you're missing the point.
    Ohh didn't know what you meant by missing the point. The religion part is only part of the esay it's not the whole. It's like one of the seeds in an apple.
    The essay is about the Common People. The regular people.

    If you want to help with the whole essay that'll be ok. If you don't that's fine to. This is helping a little bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pericles_plato View Post
    Ohh didn't know what you meant by missing the point. The religion part is only part of the esay it's not the whole. It's like one of the seeds in an apple.

    If you want to help with the whole essay that'll be ok. If you don't that's fine to. This is helping a little bit.
    You cannot achieve world peace by enforcing morality on everyone in the entire world. This is a ludicrous proposition.
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    "It is the truth of the common people that we learn the laws of morality. The common people have a duty as human beings to hold up the laws of morality. The laws of Morality keeps the society in check and not making the society into chaos.

    When the laws of morality is in play there is peace. When the common people of the world gather together as one and demand no more fighting then there would be no more war. The leaders and officials will have to comply in the demands of the people. The common people are the real ones who run the governments. They allow it to exist or die."

    Is the beginning.

    Scorch you don't like peace? I figure to be one of those snobby rich kids *no offence but your personality matches one*
    Common people are the people like you and me they are "common" The common people suffer from war, it is their child, relative, or friend that die in battle. It is the people who stormed the Bastille. It is the people who we see everyday driving to work. Not the rich people. Most rich people are not good and only care about money. that The truth is talking about their role in society and acquiring world peace. All i can think right now.
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