Question regarding flaming arrows vs siege weapons

**Landtuber** · March 11, 2010, 03:01 PM

Hey all, just looking for some hard numbers on what makes siege equipment burn in SS 6.2, RR/RC. I've always just accepted that the AI burns my towers down way faster than I can burn theirs, but just lost 3 towers and a ram to 3 units of archers before they even hit the walls.

Now, they were Welsh Longbowmen so decent archers, but wondering if their attack stat effects how quickly they burn towers? For example, does a tower need to take X flame damage before it burns, with every flaming arrow that hits the tower causing Y damage equal to the archers attack stat? This would make the most logical sense to me, but I expect its not how its done.

If anyone could enlighten me as to the exact nature of how towers/siege weapons burn, that would be greatly appreciated.

(Was originally posted in RR/RC forum, if an admin see's this, can they please delete that post, thanks!)

**JorisofHolland** · March 12, 2010, 07:34 AM

I don't know any numbers, but I think their projectile has more to do with this that their attack value. I can be wrong, though.

**Landtuber** · March 13, 2010, 09:23 AM

Would make sense, flaming projectiles from the towers should do more than a regular arrow. Anyone know the numbers to back this up? Just wondering if its solely a chance for a tower to catch fire, which goes up the more flaming projectiles hit it and different projectiles have different chances?

**Gogolometro** · March 13, 2010, 11:23 AM

Balista towers.

**JorisofHolland** · March 13, 2010, 02:23 PM

Canon towers beat balista towers

No, I don't even know where to look for numbers (if there aren't any, feel free to blame CA). Maybe descr_projectile.txt?

**k/t** · March 13, 2010, 09:42 PM

Cannon towers have a longer range but recharge slower?

**JorisofHolland** · March 14, 2010, 04:24 AM

And are far more deadly/desctructive

**BeingOwned:)SPQR** · March 14, 2010, 06:18 AM

My chance of taking down Siege Equipment is 1 in 3, every three sieges I at least destroy 1 Siege Equipment.

**Amon Amarth** · March 14, 2010, 08:24 AM

Because of that I only use ladders, I learn in the hardest way that no matter how many siege towers i have they will burn like dry grass, when am defending using heavy cavalry to delay enemy towers and keeping the archers shooting make me win the day.

**modog** · March 14, 2010, 10:37 AM

cant answer your question but i must say the few times i've managed to burn down ai towers the most satisfying time was when (not entirely sure how...) i managed to burn a tower down that had about half a unit of dfk's in it... fun times!

edit: as in it was already at the walls, and i managed to get a unit of archers to target it. i dont think thats normally possible when its deployed at the walls. but it happened!

**JorisofHolland** · March 14, 2010, 11:46 AM

I took a look into descr_projectiles.txt, but I couldn't find any numbers regarding burning towers. Maybe you shoud ask in the Mod Workshop? I'm sure there's someone around on the forums who knows the numbers!

**bɑne** · March 14, 2010, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by JorisofHolland

I took a look into descr_projectiles.txt, but I couldn't find any numbers regarding burning towers. Maybe you shoud ask in the Mod Workshop? I'm sure there's someone around on the forums who knows the numbers!

Some notes on that:

Originally Posted by Zendjir

in the descr_engines file, experiment with the "engine_ignition" line in the engines you would like to change. Either increase the value or decrease it.

Originally Posted by MoToM

Yep, the higher the value, the quicker they burn.
Siege towers were set to 0.30, I changed that to 2.0, and four towers were burning before they got halfway to the walls.
Might have been to high.

On siege defense against AI:

Originally Posted by Deckster

I remember reading somewhere that it was coded to be a lot easier for the AI to set fire to the player's siege tower than for the player to do it to the AI, and it seems true from my game experience.

Based on that, it should be modable somewhere, but I don't know where to look.

On towers (cannon vs ballista)

Originally Posted by MoToM

Is it true archers CANNOT set fire to things, only city towers.

Originally Posted by Caesar Clivus

It's not true. I did some testing not long ago. The result: Archers: 8, City Towers: 0

Originally Posted by Rozanov

The point at which a tower will burn is random. So a tower can take lots of damage - 90% or more - and not burn, or it can, like last night, catch a fire around the 30% mark. (Shame the AI doesn't evacuate the tower when it starts to burn, such a shame to see so may die when it collapses.)